Ramp checked at AVP today

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:15:11 -0700, "PJ Hunt"
wrote:

I wonder how many pilots know where the port side or the starboard side is?

Why would any one care?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Are we flying airplanes or boats?

PJ

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That's pretty funny. I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

Well, evidently *I* didn't know, for a mad minute there.

Port and starboard are as useful on planes as on boats. Otherwise you
have to say: on the right, as seen from the pilot's seat, or some such
locution.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:15:11 -0700, "PJ Hunt"
wrote:

I wonder how many pilots know where the port side or the starboard side is?

Are we flying airplanes or boats?

PJ

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That's pretty funny. I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?


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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:48:35 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

Why would any one care?

Because port remains the same, whereas "left" changes depending on
whether you're inside the plane (and if inside, whether you're facing
fore or aft) or outside propping it, for example.

How many times have you noted that the prop turns left (as seen from
the pilot's seat)? The prop turns to port. (Unless you;re British, of
course

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In article ,
wrote:

Well, evidently *I* didn't know, for a mad minute there.

Port and starboard are as useful on planes as on boats. Otherwise you
have to say: on the right, as seen from the pilot's seat, or some such
locution.

otoh - when logging the repair to the left main gear on my airplane
there was no "as seen from the pilot's seat, facing forward" stuff.

--
Bob Noel

Port and starboard are as useful on planes as on boats. Otherwise you
have to say: on the right, as seen from the pilot's seat, or some such
locution.

otoh - when logging the repair to the left main gear on my airplane
there was no "as seen from the pilot's seat, facing forward" stuff.

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All of which is why ATC is likely to say "at your nine o'clock position'.

But it seems to me I've also heard them say "Immediate left turn".

The prop turns to port.

Well, the top of the prop maybe. The bottom goes the other way.

g,d,r

Jose

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Cub Driver wrote:

Because port remains the same, whereas "left" changes depending on
whether you're inside the plane (and if inside, whether you're facing
fore or aft) or outside propping it, for example.

Not to me, it doesn't. The left side of the plane is always the same side.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

David Brooks wrote:
Easy way to remember. Take the three pairs of words:
left, right
port, starboard
red, green

The shorter words go together, and the longer words go together. You could
probably add:
pilot, passenger (or pilot, instructor)

Alternatively:
"Red" and "Right" both start with the same letter. It would sort of
make sense for them to be the same side. Since we're dealing with the
FAA, we can't have *that* sort of logic running around, so switch 'em.

Ditto with the cruising altitudes: "east" and "even" thousands...same
letter...nah, can't be. Swap 'em.

There are a few more that can be worked out that way, but I don't
remember them offhand. Just remember: if it makes sense, it's probably
*not* done by the FAA.

--Dave

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Dave Buckles

http://www.flight-instruction.com

"Dave Buckles" wrote in message
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Alternatively:
"Red" and "Right" both start with the same letter. It would sort of
make sense for them to be the same side. Since we're dealing with the
FAA, we can't have *that* sort of logic running around, so switch 'em.

The FAA didn't decide on navigation lights. The red light is on the left,
because the vessel (aircraft, in this case) to the right has the right of
way. The red light shows the other vessel, to the left, that they don't
have the right of way.

Not that starting the words with the same letter is in any way a sensible
way to decide things like this anyway. Navigation lights are used on
aircraft all over the world, and probably for every language in which the
color starts with the same letter as the side, there's another language in
which the other color starts with the same letter as the side.

If blaming it on the FAA helps you to remember, I suppose that's fine. Not
all mnemonics are logical, just memorable. But don't make the mistake of
believing that it's actually the FAA's fault.

Ditto with the cruising altitudes: "east" and "even" thousands...same
letter...nah, can't be. Swap 'em.

I'm not sure where the cruising altitudes came from, but again, making
decisions based on coincidences of language seems wrong-headed to me.
Remembering that it's the opposite is a great way to remember which is
which, but blaming the FAA for assigned the altitudes in a way that doesn't
make sense is again illogical.

There are a few more that can be worked out that way, but I don't
remember them offhand.

I guess they aren't actually good mnemonics then, since the point of a
mnemonic is to help you remember something.

Just remember: if it makes sense, it's probably
*not* done by the FAA.

IMHO, most things the FAA does DO make sense, once you find out the true
motiviation behind the things that they do. They aren't perfect, but
neither do they deserve the rampant disdain that saying things like "if it
makes sense, it's probably *not* done by the FAA" promotes. Also IMHO, it's
only made worse when a flight instructor says stuff like that. I wonder if
you instill the same disrespect for the FAA in your students. That sort of
thing is what leads to the "anti-authority" attitude.

Pete

"Dave Buckles" wrote in message
news:AsJfc.7906$55.1601@lakeread02...
David Brooks wrote:
Easy way to remember. Take the three pairs of words:
left, right
port, starboard
red, green

The shorter words go together, and the longer words go together. You
could
probably add:
pilot, passenger (or pilot, instructor)

Alternatively:
"Red" and "Right" both start with the same letter. It would sort of
make sense for them to be the same side. Since we're dealing with the
FAA, we can't have *that* sort of logic running around, so switch 'em.

"Red", "right", "returning" works. It refers to keeping the red bouys on
the right when returning to a harbor. (simplified explanation) Doesn't do
much good in an airplane but the boat people did use some logic.