Could training at a towered airport have prevented the ADIZ bust

The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field. I remember how difficult it was to train at a
Class D airport, wishing that I could have made my early training hours
easier at an un-towered field. Now I'm grateful for all the angst and
mike-fright I went through and eventually overcame.

I understood one was an instructor, the other a student? Not the kind of
instructor I would want to learn from.

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"airman" wrote in message
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The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field. I remember how difficult it was to train at a
Class D airport, wishing that I could have made my early training hours
easier at an un-towered field. Now I'm grateful for all the angst and
mike-fright I went through and eventually overcame.

Mike W. wrote:
I understood one was an instructor, the other a student?

No. One was a private pilot and the other a student.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

If anything will bust someone's ticket, it'll be that the student was
carrying a passenger. Or was the PPL the PIC?

I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Mike W. wrote:
I understood one was an instructor, the other a student?

No. One was a private pilot and the other a student.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"H.P." wrote in message
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If anything will bust someone's ticket, it'll be that the student was
carrying a passenger. Or was the PPL the PIC?

Well, yea.

I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

It was very necessary. You know what they did. How were the law
enforcement people to know what these guys intentions were? They must
assume the worst until evidence proves otherwise.

H.P. wrote:
I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

This kind of treatment is routine. If this is the worst case of
unnecessary force used by law enforcement, then we're in really good
shape. (Remember the kidnapping of Elian by the feds, pointing an
assault rifle inches from the boy's face?)

Howdy!

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Bucky wrote:
H.P. wrote:
I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

This kind of treatment is routine. If this is the worst case of
unnecessary force used by law enforcement, then we're in really good
shape. (Remember the kidnapping of Elian by the feds, pointing an
assault rifle inches from the boy's face?)

I call bull**** on you. First for calling it "kidnapping". Second for
misrepresenting the placement of the rifle (and conveniently ignoring
the important (and easily seen) placement of the trigger finger).

yours,
Michael

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I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

I don't know what it is about cuffing people that some cops are
addicted to. Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases. Maybe its a feeling of power or a public show
that they are doing something. I can see in case of physically
dangerous or armed individuals. Guess humans never really get past the
dark ages syndrome.

"abripl" wrote in message
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I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

I don't know what it is about cuffing people that some cops are
addicted to. Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases. Maybe its a feeling of power or a public show
that they are doing something. I can see in case of physically
dangerous or armed individuals. Guess humans never really get past the
dark ages syndrome.


Well, let's think about this for a minute. You have people that have broken
the law or that you highly suspect have done so. You have a person or
persons there who is armed and has that weapon in a holster. The armed
person may need to use thier hands for something other than control the
suspect.

Oh, wait the suspect has hands to that just might be able to reach out and
grab the weapon. So, the officer says hey cool I have the neat things on my
belt that will allow me to do my job and at the same time make sure that the
suspect doesn't get my gun and shoot me with it.

abripl wrote:

I don't know what it is about cuffing people that some cops are
addicted to.

What it is is that entirely too many cops have been killedv or injured because
they didn't cuff someone.

Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases.

Yep. I remember a routine traffic stop in Knoxville back around 1970. The driver
shot the officer through the door and drove away. Made a few changes to the
rules right there.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.