Sean Tucker Oracle Airshow

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Hoover is my favorite. An "ultimate expression of the possible" is a
good way of describing it.

Second that.

Another would be the old "Flying Perfesser" (?) who did amazing stunts
in
a
J-3 Cub (haven't seen that one in YEARSSSS.)

OTOH, the TB's and BA's are not only demonstrating flying skills, but
aircraft performance at the other end of the scale.

I've seen them all, from Cole to Hoover to Tucker, to the late Bobby
Younkin. They were/are all incredible pilots.

The best I've *ever* seen, however, bar none, was an old guy at the annual
Stearman Fly In (in Galesburg, IL) three years ago. He was old as dirt,
totally unknown (I wish I could remember his name) -- and did things with
that Stearman that had me jumping up and down, first in terror, then in
glee.

I truly thought he was going to hit the ground on any of a dozen
maneuvers.
During some maneuvers he actually went BELOW ground level, as he flew in
the
drainage ditch alongside the runway! From our ground-level vantage
point,
he looked like he had impacted the ground -- a completely unnerving sight.

Best part was that it was all done in super slow-motion (a Stearman has no
other speed), RIGHT in front of us. What an amazing stick.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far beyond
Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with finesse
instead of with horse power.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. ..

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:H8%Be.157451$_o.96603@attbi_s71...
Hoover is my favorite. An "ultimate expression of the possible" is a
good way of describing it.

Second that.

Another would be the old "Flying Perfesser" (?) who did amazing stunts
in
a
J-3 Cub (haven't seen that one in YEARSSSS.)

OTOH, the TB's and BA's are not only demonstrating flying skills, but
aircraft performance at the other end of the scale.

I've seen them all, from Cole to Hoover to Tucker, to the late Bobby
Younkin. They were/are all incredible pilots.

The best I've *ever* seen, however, bar none, was an old guy at the
annual
Stearman Fly In (in Galesburg, IL) three years ago. He was old as dirt,
totally unknown (I wish I could remember his name) -- and did things with
that Stearman that had me jumping up and down, first in terror, then in
glee.

I truly thought he was going to hit the ground on any of a dozen
maneuvers.
During some maneuvers he actually went BELOW ground level, as he flew in
the
drainage ditch alongside the runway! From our ground-level vantage
point,
he looked like he had impacted the ground -- a completely unnerving
sight.

Best part was that it was all done in super slow-motion (a Stearman has
no
other speed), RIGHT in front of us. What an amazing stick.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond
Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with
finesse
instead of with horse power.

This is simply not true and I'm surprised you felt you had to put it this
way. You know; it's possible to make your point about flying a low altitude
energy aerobatic profile as opposed to a power profile without demeaning
some of the finest aerobatic pilots in the world. :-))

I can guarantee you that any of the pilots you mentioned can fly with all
the finesse they need, power or power off!!
A Stearman with a 220 mill hanging on the nose is indeed a heavy steed to be
handling at low altitude acrobatically, but if flown correctly, an energy
management acro program in a Stearman is not all that hard to fly. You
simply compensate for the lack of power by trading off the energy equation
between airspeed and g. Generally it's a loose program, but it's not that
difficult to fly.

Dudley Henriques

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with
finesse instead of with horse power.

Dudley Henriques wrote:
This is simply not true and I'm surprised you felt you had to put it this
way. You know; it's possible to make your point about flying a low altitude
energy aerobatic profile as opposed to a power profile without demeaning
some of the finest aerobatic pilots in the world. :-))
I can guarantee you that any of the pilots you mentioned can fly with all
the finesse they need, power or power off!!
A Stearman with a 220 mill hanging on the nose is indeed a heavy steed to be
handling at low altitude acrobatically, but if flown correctly, an energy
management acro program in a Stearman is not all that hard to fly. You
simply compensate for the lack of power by trading off the energy equation
between airspeed and g. Generally it's a loose program, but it's not that
difficult to fly.

And then there are the high control forces to contend with on the big
slow airplanes.
Sean Tucker flew crop dusters, so it would seem like old home week for
him to play with a Stearman.

"john smith" wrote in message
.. .
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly
with finesse instead of with horse power.

Dudley Henriques wrote:
This is simply not true and I'm surprised you felt you had to put it this
way. You know; it's possible to make your point about flying a low
altitude energy aerobatic profile as opposed to a power profile without
demeaning some of the finest aerobatic pilots in the world. :-))
I can guarantee you that any of the pilots you mentioned can fly with all
the finesse they need, power or power off!!
A Stearman with a 220 mill hanging on the nose is indeed a heavy steed to
be handling at low altitude acrobatically, but if flown correctly, an
energy management acro program in a Stearman is not all that hard to fly.
You simply compensate for the lack of power by trading off the energy
equation between airspeed and g. Generally it's a loose program, but it's
not that difficult to fly.

And then there are the high control forces to contend with on the big slow
airplanes.
Sean Tucker flew crop dusters, so it would seem like old home week for him
to play with a Stearman.

With the Stearman PT17 with the 220 Continental R670;;;; on a GOOD day, we
could get 2000 RPM out of it. It had the roll rate of a pregnant walrus, but
snapped like a rubber band! :-) It's true that it was a handful. I always
felt like my legs were spread apart like I was riding a horse. It was a
total fun airplane though, and very honest when handled right.
At low altitude doing acro, you would have to be REAL good with this
airplane, but in the right hands; a piece of cake!! :-)
Dudley Henriques

Dave Stadt wrote:

And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far beyond
Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with finesse
instead of with horse power.

We saw a performer who did the same thing (maybe the same guy) at the balloon
festival at Solberg maybe 8 years ago. You're right about finesse -- the engine
quits when it gets inverted, so many of the maneuvers really have no room for error.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"john smith" wrote in message
.. .
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly
with finesse instead of with horse power.

John, when you snip posts, please be more careful.

I did NOT write the paragraph, above, even though you have attributed it to
me inadvertently.

Thanks.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote in message
.. .
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making
a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly
with finesse instead of with horse power.

John, when you snip posts, please be more careful.

I did NOT write the paragraph, above, even though you have attributed it
to me inadvertently.

Thanks.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I don't believe you would write anything like this anyway :-)
Dudley

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:

And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond
Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with
finesse
instead of with horse power.

We saw a performer who did the same thing (maybe the same guy) at the
balloon festival at Solberg maybe 8 years ago. You're right about
finesse -- the engine quits when it gets inverted, so many of the
maneuvers really have no room for error.

NO maneuver done in the low altitude aerobatic environment, power or no
power, has any room for error.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
.net...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. ..

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:H8%Be.157451$_o.96603@attbi_s71...
Hoover is my favorite. An "ultimate expression of the possible" is
a
good way of describing it.

Second that.

Another would be the old "Flying Perfesser" (?) who did amazing
stunts
in
a
J-3 Cub (haven't seen that one in YEARSSSS.)

OTOH, the TB's and BA's are not only demonstrating flying skills, but
aircraft performance at the other end of the scale.

I've seen them all, from Cole to Hoover to Tucker, to the late Bobby
Younkin. They were/are all incredible pilots.

The best I've *ever* seen, however, bar none, was an old guy at the
annual
Stearman Fly In (in Galesburg, IL) three years ago. He was old as
dirt,
totally unknown (I wish I could remember his name) -- and did things
with
that Stearman that had me jumping up and down, first in terror, then in
glee.

I truly thought he was going to hit the ground on any of a dozen
maneuvers.
During some maneuvers he actually went BELOW ground level, as he flew
in
the
drainage ditch alongside the runway! From our ground-level vantage
point,
he looked like he had impacted the ground -- a completely unnerving
sight.

Best part was that it was all done in super slow-motion (a Stearman has
no
other speed), RIGHT in front of us. What an amazing stick.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making
a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond
Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with
finesse
instead of with horse power.

This is simply not true and I'm surprised you felt you had to put it this
way. You know; it's possible to make your point about flying a low
altitude
energy aerobatic profile as opposed to a power profile without demeaning
some of the finest aerobatic pilots in the world. :-))

I can guarantee you that any of the pilots you mentioned can fly with all
the finesse they need, power or power off!!
A Stearman with a 220 mill hanging on the nose is indeed a heavy steed to
be
handling at low altitude acrobatically, but if flown correctly, an energy
management acro program in a Stearman is not all that hard to fly. You
simply compensate for the lack of power by trading off the energy equation
between airspeed and g. Generally it's a loose program, but it's not that
difficult to fly.

Dudley Henriques

We all have our opinions and I don't see any comparison between the two
extremes. One extreme shows piloting skill and the other makes lotsa noise
and impresses the general public. That's what they do for a living which is
fine but it doesn't mean I have to like it or be impressed by it. I'll take
the Aeroshell T6 team, Bob Hoover in the Shrike, a Tcraft or J3 routine any
day over the whiz bang hang it on the prop, make lotsa smoke and noise with
a loud mouth announcer any day.

Have you seen the Stearman routine discussed?

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. ..

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
.net...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. ..

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:H8%Be.157451$_o.96603@attbi_s71...
Hoover is my favorite. An "ultimate expression of the possible" is
a
good way of describing it.

Second that.

Another would be the old "Flying Perfesser" (?) who did amazing
stunts
in
a
J-3 Cub (haven't seen that one in YEARSSSS.)

OTOH, the TB's and BA's are not only demonstrating flying skills,
but
aircraft performance at the other end of the scale.

I've seen them all, from Cole to Hoover to Tucker, to the late Bobby
Younkin. They were/are all incredible pilots.

The best I've *ever* seen, however, bar none, was an old guy at the
annual
Stearman Fly In (in Galesburg, IL) three years ago. He was old as
dirt,
totally unknown (I wish I could remember his name) -- and did things
with
that Stearman that had me jumping up and down, first in terror, then
in
glee.

I truly thought he was going to hit the ground on any of a dozen
maneuvers.
During some maneuvers he actually went BELOW ground level, as he flew
in
the
drainage ditch alongside the runway! From our ground-level vantage
point,
he looked like he had impacted the ground -- a completely unnerving
sight.

Best part was that it was all done in super slow-motion (a Stearman
has
no
other speed), RIGHT in front of us. What an amazing stick.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And he does it with a rock stock 220 hp Stearman. No 450 hp P&W making
a
racket that wakes the dead. Guys like that have piloting skills far
beyond
Tucker and all the others that would be lost if they had to fly with
finesse
instead of with horse power.

This is simply not true and I'm surprised you felt you had to put it this
way. You know; it's possible to make your point about flying a low
altitude
energy aerobatic profile as opposed to a power profile without demeaning
some of the finest aerobatic pilots in the world. :-))

I can guarantee you that any of the pilots you mentioned can fly with all
the finesse they need, power or power off!!
A Stearman with a 220 mill hanging on the nose is indeed a heavy steed to
be
handling at low altitude acrobatically, but if flown correctly, an energy
management acro program in a Stearman is not all that hard to fly. You
simply compensate for the lack of power by trading off the energy
equation
between airspeed and g. Generally it's a loose program, but it's not that
difficult to fly.

Dudley Henriques

We all have our opinions and I don't see any comparison between the two
extremes. One extreme shows piloting skill and the other makes lotsa
noise
and impresses the general public. That's what they do for a living which
is
fine but it doesn't mean I have to like it or be impressed by it. I'll
take
the Aeroshell T6 team, Bob Hoover in the Shrike, a Tcraft or J3 routine
any
day over the whiz bang hang it on the prop, make lotsa smoke and noise
with
a loud mouth announcer any day.

Have you seen the Stearman routine discussed?

I have no problem at all with your "opinion" on what you like and don't
like. Feel free to express what you like. I DO however have a problem with
the personal remarks you made to stress your point.

Tucker and all the others would be lost if they had to fly with
finesse
instead of with horse power.

This states your opinion as fact, and I am simply pointing out that your
facts need some work.
Be this as it may. It's Usenet after all. We don't post to each other all
that often anyway, but I'll take you on when you put out crap like
this.......every time!!!
DH