wood species question

I think you are referring to a "pole," which is a long column-like
structure, rather than a "poll," which is a sampling of opinion.

Have fun stewing in your vinegar.

Regards,

Gordon.


"Richard Riley" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:52:52 -0700, Smitty
wrote:

:I'm not sure how others feel, but I find this situation more than
:slightly ironic. I've never believed that hostility, anger, and
:condemnation of others in any way makes us better people. Nor does it
:add to our credibility, make the other person less credible, enhance our
:standing in the community, sway opinion in our favor, or otherwise "win
:friends and influence people."

You're still reading his posts? You must be much more tolerant than
me. I filtered him a week ago.

It is strange that relatively well trafficked usenet groups always
seem to have a couple of this type, ranging from pure trolls - who
have no interest in the topic at all - to people like Juan, Latchless
Larry and this poster. They know something about the topic, but
insist on presenting it in the most offensive, contentious way they
can. They thus ensure that the casual reader will dismiss their
statements - which may be true - as ravings.

Somehow they seem to derrive utility from causing offense. I don't
understand it, but I see it over and over, in a wide variety of
forums. It's very different from Zoom, who's actual business model is
based in actions most people would consider insane. (It's not a
*good* business model, but it does work to a limited extent).

Just to keep it on topic, the electric company replaced the poll in
our back yard last week. I asked how long polls last, and what kind
of wood was used. 50-70 years, and treated Douglas Fir. I thought,
what a waste of good wood.

Bashir,

I'm flattered that you look up to me as some sort of super-human figure.

However, I really can't help you in your quest for self-validation -- at
least not in this medium.

But I can see how half a man might mistake even a mere mortal for some kind
of god.

Regards,

Gordon.


"Bashir" wrote in message
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Gordon Arnaut wrote:
Because I consider humility and modesty important aspects of my personal
diginity, the last thing I want to act out is ostentatious displays of
knowledge.

I will have to wait for several hours for my laughter to subside.

Now. That's better.

Someone questions you on the smallest technical point and you respond
by calling them a mouth-foaming sociopath, and all the other things
Smitty listed?

You're insane. More than that, you are flamboyantly insane.

And you misspelled "divinity." It's understandable, even for someone
as God-like as you, since the "v" key is right next to the "g" key.
Normally I wouldn't point out a typographic error in a usenet post but
that one almost made my irony meter explode. It was almost as if you
were trying to type "dignity."


I will leave it at that. Perhaps now you can better appreciate from
whence
my anger springs.

And from whence springs your anger at Jim Weir?

I don't know anything about designing or building with wood. Based on
what you have written here, I would never use anything from you as a
reference.

For those who may be wondering what I meant when I referred to Bashir's
quest for "self-validation," I will just provide a brief little example.

Picture if you will a baby sitting in his high chair. The entire family is
milling around the kitchen in various stages of preparing and consuming food
and the room is bursting with voices -- there are all kinds of discussions
taking place at the same time.

All of a sudden, baby starts yelling and shouting, gesticulating with his
arms, perhaps slapping his tray with his hands or food bowl. It's a scene
we've all seen. We also know instinctively what's wrong -- in all the hubbub
of activity and discussion no one was talking to baby. He's alive too and he
wants us to know it, because that's how he validates the value and meaning
of his own existence.

It's the same with Bashir. He doesn't have any argument about the wood (he's
admitted as much), he just wants his voice to be heard -- like baby. Of
course the big difference is Bashir isn't really a baby anymore (not
really...come on now).

Regards,

Gordon.


PS: Bashir, what did I do to Hemingway? Sheesh...




"Gordon Arnaut" wrote in message
...
I think you are referring to a "pole," which is a long column-like
structure, rather than a "poll," which is a sampling of opinion.

Have fun stewing in your vinegar.

Regards,

Gordon.


"Richard Riley" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:52:52 -0700, Smitty
wrote:

:I'm not sure how others feel, but I find this situation more than
:slightly ironic. I've never believed that hostility, anger, and
:condemnation of others in any way makes us better people. Nor does it
:add to our credibility, make the other person less credible, enhance our
:standing in the community, sway opinion in our favor, or otherwise "win
:friends and influence people."

You're still reading his posts? You must be much more tolerant than
me. I filtered him a week ago.

It is strange that relatively well trafficked usenet groups always
seem to have a couple of this type, ranging from pure trolls - who
have no interest in the topic at all - to people like Juan, Latchless
Larry and this poster. They know something about the topic, but
insist on presenting it in the most offensive, contentious way they
can. They thus ensure that the casual reader will dismiss their
statements - which may be true - as ravings.

Somehow they seem to derrive utility from causing offense. I don't
understand it, but I see it over and over, in a wide variety of
forums. It's very different from Zoom, who's actual business model is
based in actions most people would consider insane. (It's not a
*good* business model, but it does work to a limited extent).

Just to keep it on topic, the electric company replaced the poll in
our back yard last week. I asked how long polls last, and what kind
of wood was used. 50-70 years, and treated Douglas Fir. I thought,
what a waste of good wood.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:54:33 -0400, "Gordon Arnaut"
wrote:

For those who may be wondering what I meant when I referred to Bashir's
quest for "self-validation," I will just provide a brief little example.

Picture if you will a baby sitting in his high chair. The entire family is
milling around the kitchen in various stages of preparing and consuming food
and the room is bursting with voices -- there are all kinds of discussions
taking place at the same time.

All of a sudden, baby starts yelling and shouting, gesticulating with his
arms, perhaps slapping his tray with his hands or food bowl. It's a scene
we've all seen. We also know instinctively what's wrong -- in all the hubbub
of activity and discussion no one was talking to baby. He's alive too and he
wants us to know it, because that's how he validates the value and meaning
of his own existence.

It's the same with Bashir. He doesn't have any argument about the wood (he's
admitted as much), he just wants his voice to be heard -- like baby. Of
course the big difference is Bashir isn't really a baby anymore (not
really...come on now).

Regards,

Gordon.


PS: Bashir, what did I do to Hemingway? Sheesh...

Sir, you are one supremely pedantic ass!

Ed Sullivan

I have written a short script so that whenever your name appears on my
screen, your theme song plays.

http://tinyurl.com/bth8r

You are the most amusing loon to have posted here in some time.
Welcome! Knowledge of the use of wood in aircraft building is
valuable, I'm sure that you are paid handsomly for it in industry.

Bashir,

Yes the wooden planes industry is flourishing, as you know, so my services
are indeed in high demand.

I assume the Looney Tunes scripting industry is similarly lucrative?

Regards,

Gordon.


"Bashir" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have written a short script so that whenever your name appears on my
screen, your theme song plays.

http://tinyurl.com/bth8r

You are the most amusing loon to have posted here in some time.
Welcome! Knowledge of the use of wood in aircraft building is
valuable, I'm sure that you are paid handsomly for it in industry.

"Gordon Arnaut" wrote in message
...
Ha, ha, ha...another chestnut from the avionics Hemingway of Kitplanes.

Regards,

Gordon.

PS: For anyone out there that might still be interested in serious
discussion of wood, I want to just add a little about compressive strength
and tensile strength as it relates to wood species substitution.

Using the same FPL data I used earlier, we see that spruce has a maximum
crushing strenght of 5,650 psi, while pine is 4840 psi, which makes pine
exactly 85 percent as strong in compression. This is nearly the same
difference as in bending -- and as I noted earlier, most of the other
measures will be similarly in line.

But just to see if my statement that 7/8' pine will adequately substitute
for 3/4 spruce, let's calculate. Since stress is force per area, we can
see
that a 3/4" spruce member will be able to withstand a maximum compressive
stress of 0.75(squared) x 5650 = 3178 psi.

How big would our pine member have to be? Well by rearranging the formula
3178 divided by 4840 will give us the dimension squared, which is 0.81
inch,
again somewhat less than 7/8".

So just as in the bending moment calculation we see that substituting 7/8'
pine for 3/4" spruce gives us a member that is actually a little bit
stronger. It is also a tiny bit heavier, but this is negligible.

However I should point out that going through the exercise we just did is
not proper methodology. I am only doing it to prove a point.

The proper method is to first identify the structural member we are
interested in analyzing, like I did with the wing spar. Next we have to
know
how much load this member is expected to carry. Only then does it make
sense
to determine the size of the member.

But like I said, let's see if Mouth-Foamer can tell us which pieces of the
plane are under pure compression or tension. (Since he is so concerned
aobut
that and is basing his whole character assassination on me on that stupid
notion).

In the meantime, I hope Mr. Personality is getting the couch-time he so
desperately needs. And I hope he doesn't forget to remind his analyst,
"first do no harm."

And,,,,,, who gives a f***ck

"Gordon Arnaut" wrote in message
...
Seeing these comments from the peanut gallery brought to mind an
interesting
memory from middle school -- eighth grade I believe.

It was a schoolyard scrap between two of the heavyweight contenders -- one
of many matches and rematches in a long line of slugfests among the
slugerati of middle school.

As usual, the fisticuffs attracted a mighty crowd, and as usual the
scrawny
nerds were in the front row, cheering and screaming and waving their
little
fists. Keeping the crowd back with arms outstretched behind them -- and at
the same time forming a kind of ring for the fighters -- were some of the
other school sluggers.

It was a spirited match that ended pretty much a draw, with both
combatatants slugged out and panting for air. Just as the action was
winding
down into general groping and grasping, one of the little hamsters in the
front, eyes glazed over with blood lust, screamed out some kind of comment
to the effect of, "Come on, let's go. You call this a fight?"

Well that turned all eyes on the little rodent, who quickly sprouted a big
"Oops" bubble above his head. One of the big kids who was on crowd control
quickly administered a cuff upside the head, along with some words of
remonstration, to the effect of "who the heck asked you?" -- and then the
mob dived in.

The next instant our little rodent was being tossed around by the angry
mob
like an unfortuante rag doll. A monster wedgie was the crowning indignity
as
I recall.

Wow. I hadn't thought of that story in years. Thanks to Rich, Lou, and
Hemingway for sparking that memory.

I sometimes try to picture how some of these kids from middle school might
have grown up, trying to picture the kind of people they have become later
in life, how they might behave in certain situations.

I think I have a pretty good picture of what that unfortunate little
spectator would be doing right about now.

Regards,

Gordon.
And,,,, who gives a f***ck

911 operator, "911, What is your emergency?"

me, "Hello operator, I'd like to report a gangbang rape."

911 operator, "Have you been assaulted sir?"

me. "No mam, the fella's name is Gordon and he's been bent over by
several people in the rec.aviation.homebuilt."

911 operator, "OK sir, remain calm, help is on the way."

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
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911 operator, "911, What is your emergency?"

me, "Hello operator, I'd like to report a gangbang rape."

911 operator, "Have you been assaulted sir?"

me. "No mam, the fella's name is Gordon and he's been bent over by
several people in the rec.aviation.homebuilt."

911 operator, "OK sir, remain calm, help is on the way."

Chuckle

Please, say the call got dropped? g

Yet he persists; and goes on with the stance that he knows all, and others
know nothing? Humm.

I don't understand why some ot the group continues to converse, like he is a
rational person, or something.

OK, now get ready for the flamethrower that is sure to follow.
--
Jim in NC