So what happens when 100LL is gone anyway?

Mike Rapoport wrote:

And the engine is worth more than the airplane. Sure you can do this but
the airframe isn't going to be worth anything before you put the new engine
on (ie pressurized piston twins are toast). They arn't going to be flying
higher than pressurized twins so I doubt that you are going to be able to
save fuel in the real world.

Granted they aren't cheap, some are cheaper than others though. I
suppose the airframe also ends up classified as EXPERIMENTAL. Saved fuel
and time - is saved fuel and time, no matter which world your in. That
also helps pay off the conversion costs...

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
.. .
Mike Rapoport wrote:

And the engine is worth more than the airplane. Sure you can do this but
the airframe isn't going to be worth anything before you put the new
engine on (ie pressurized piston twins are toast). They arn't going to
be flying higher than pressurized twins so I doubt that you are going to
be able to save fuel in the real world.

Granted they aren't cheap, some are cheaper than others though. I suppose
the airframe also ends up classified as EXPERIMENTAL. Saved fuel and
time - is saved fuel and time, no matter which world your in. That also
helps pay off the conversion costs...

I really doubt that you are going to same fuel and time. Small turbines
burn significantly more fuel to produce the same power than reciprocating
engines.

Mike
MU-2

Arghh! My error. I read all the messages and replied to the wrong one. I
meant to reply to Cub Driver. Sorry.

Mike
MU-2


"Sylvain" wrote in message
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Mike Rapoport wrote:

I'm missing your point. What is it?


That modern European deisel automobile engines are not seen in the US and
that, if the poster that I was responding to thinks that they don't
exist, then he hasn't been to Europe (where they do).

the confusion was that you were replying to a message that was
precisely making the same point.

--Sylvain

"Mike Rapoport" wrote

modern European deisel automobile engines are not seen in the US

Why is that?
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Mike Rapoport" wrote
modern European deisel automobile engines are not seen in the US
Why is that?

Beats me, one of these things that only someone in
marketting can understand I suppose :-), may be the
same reason why you can't buy in USA cars with reasonable
gas mileage even though they are widely available
elsewhere -- i.e., there are cars out there, with
conventional gas engines which beat the gas mileage
(real life numbers not marketting hype) of the overhyped
hybrids and with decent performance (actually a heck of a
lot more fun to drive than what's available here); Even
manufacturers that do make such cars and do have a presence
in USA do not sell these models here. I suppose
they know what they are doing, but I am still puzzled.
I did write once to Peugeot (never expecting an
answer) asking them why I couldn't buy their products
over here and got a nice answer (to my surprise,
it was not a canned answer and someone went through
the trouble of addressing the points I was making)
explaining things a bit (apparently they prefer to go
after 'emerging' markets which have better growth
potentials); may be also a cultural thing, folks
here like gaz guzzling big engines even to commute
at 55 mph... what do I know, I am just a bloody
foreigner :-))

the funny thing is that now that I live in California,
even with gas retail prices only a fraction of what
is available in Europe (even today), I still end
up spending more on gas than I was in Europe (gaz
guzzling piece of junk that cannot do better than
26 mpg combined with much longer commute distances)

--Sylvain

I don't know but several key states have effectively banned deisels because
of the way they wrote pollution laws. Part of the problem is that US diesel
fuel is not as pure as that in Europe which make the cars pollute more in
the US.

Mike
MU-2


"Morgans" wrote in message
news

"Mike Rapoport" wrote

modern European deisel automobile engines are not seen in the US

Why is that?
--
Jim in NC

Morgans

Was thinking about the drag strip.

Some of my model engines when I was racing, used mostly nitro with a
spot of alky and caster ) Hot stuff. Better than the WWII 120-145.

Big John
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:51:47 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
Dudley

It's Nitro with a spot of Alky )

Big John

Nascar gas? I don't think so. Straight petrol, I believe.

If someone can prove me wrong, go to it. I was wrong once last year, I
think! g

Mike,

got it, thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Morgans,

modern European deisel automobile engines are not seen in the US

Why is that?


The market is different. Nobody cares about gas consumption in the US.
Everbody wants ridiculously BIG cars in the US, whereas European cars
are mostly way smaller. And you guys have this obsession about "buying
American". So you don't always get the best ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mike Rapoport wrote:

I really doubt that you are going to same fuel and time. Small turbines
burn significantly more fuel to produce the same power than reciprocating
engines.

He's using the Czech turbine as I recall. Previous conversion was on an
earlier Beech airframe. Longer TBO's for the turbine, slightly higher
fuel consumption over twin pistons, lighter airframe, higher cruise
speeds/altitudes and improved TO/LD performance...

The more you fly, more money stays in your pocket on average comparison...