ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:OpHuf.325$q26.78@trnddc03...
.Blueskies. wrote:

The helicopter had a 'well armed' person on board and presented a sign that said contact 121.5. When they dialed up
121.5 all they heard was and ELT beep-beep-beep swamping out the frequency.

Then the chopper had them switch to another frequency. There was nothing on it at all. Outside parties claim the
chopper's radio was inoperative; the HSA refuses to comment on that.

George Patterson
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your slightly older self.



Exactly, amazing the incompetence all around this incident...
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George Patterson wrote:

Then the chopper had them switch to another frequency. There was
nothing on it at all. Outside parties claim the chopper's radio was
inoperative; the HSA refuses to comment on that.

Claims of inop. While possible the radios didn't work, it's at least as
likely the operator dialed the wrong frequency. Either way, it in no way
absolves or mitigates the actions of Shaeffer and Martin.

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John T
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"Jay Honeck"
The current issue of AOPA Pilot has a fascinating article about the two
pilots (one certificated, one student) who penetrated the Washington ADIZ
last spring, and brought the wrath of the government down upon us all.

What struck me was the entirely casual way in which it all happened.

That and the inability, after millions of dollars spent, to be able to
contact the most likely offenders. That's on a par with the worst cockups
we've seen at airport security carried out by people with a fraction of the
training. These offenders were ****ups, for sure, but are there any pilots
here who think they couldn't have done a better job of intercepting these
guys?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote

These offenders were ****ups, for sure, but are there any pilots here who
think they couldn't have done a better job of intercepting these guys?

Ahhhhhhh, yep? How about just about anyone here?
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Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote

These offenders were ****ups, for sure, but are there any pilots here who
think they couldn't have done a better job of intercepting these guys?

Ahhhhhhh, yep? How about just about anyone here?

To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories. They were
undoubtedly being directed by senior officers and that, or some problem with
their ship (the radio problem mentioned seems odd) may have played a
significant role. But, whatever happened, it's an equally black mark for
Homeland Insecurity. Most pilots have heard stories about troubled planes
being guided to safety by pilots in other planes who weren't out flying
looking for anyone to intercept or rescue.

moo

To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories.

Actually, the article mentions that one of the F-16 pilots was quoted as
saying that "They knew the C-150 wasn't a threat" -- which is why
(apparently) they didn't shoot him down.
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories.

Actually, the article mentions that one of the F-16 pilots was quoted as
saying that "They knew the C-150 wasn't a threat" -- which is why
(apparently) they didn't shoot him down.

That's not a story. A C150 is never a real threat to an F16. A real story
would be "We're making this situation worse. LET'S GET THIS GUY ON THE
TARMAC PRONTO." whAT'S A THREAT?

MOO

Happy Dog wrote:

To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories.

It's not for lack of trying. The department of HSA has refused to comment.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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It's not for lack of trying. The department of HSA has refused to
comment.

I'm not aware of DHS staffing F-16's.

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"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Happy Dog wrote:

To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories.

It's not for lack of trying. The department of HSA has refused to comment.

That's not the pilots fault.

moo