Dumb & Dumber

"Eduardo K." wrote in message
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In article m,
Dave Stadt wrote:


That's right. If they built the things from the 1930s to 1968 and still
couldn't get the heater to work that's fatal in my book.


They fixed it in the late 50s. From the 1200cc engine on it had a set of
thermostatically controled flaps that restricted and guided hot air
to improve heating and not overcool the engine.

Problem is, most idiot mechanics remove them and you have an engine that
never gets warm and thus no heat.

Not true, a brand new '68 had for all practical purposes no heat.



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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Piper may have changed their ways. As I recall the leading edge of the
J-3 stabalizer was a solid steal tube, perfect for pushing on (which is

That is the absolute worst place to push. Most owners would excuse you
from
the vicinity of their J3 forever if you tried such a dumb stunt.

I'm not sure what the basis of your statement is. I just know that when
I had the J-3 the mechanic showed me this as the proper way to get it
over the grass hump and into the shade hanger. Pulling on the handle
was very hard to get leverage to pull the plane through the grass. I'm
basing my understanding on what the mechanic told me to do (I don't
consider that basis to be "dumb" in your words). On what do you base
your understanding?

-Robert

Look at the way that NOT solid 'steal' tube is attached to the airframe and
common sense says hands off. If I believed everything mechanics told me I
would have been killed at least 10 times.

So if you do not trust the A&P to tell you what part of the aircraft is
structurally sound enough what do you base your assertion on? Do you
completely disassemble every aircraft you fly and evaluate the
engineering design and structure of the entire aircraft yourself? Did
you require yourself to earn your structural engineernig degree before
working on your private? I'm still challenging your assertion that
trusting an A&P makes a pilot "dumb" and that only those of you
enlightened enough to have something you have yet to share with us
are not "dumb".

-Robert

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Look at the way that NOT solid 'steal' tube is attached to the airframe and
common sense says hands off. If I believed everything mechanics told me I
would have been killed at least 10 times.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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So if you do not trust the A&P to tell you what part of the aircraft is
structurally sound enough what do you base your assertion on?

Haven't flown a lot of airplanes but the J3 is one in which I do have time.
I do learn the structure and method of assembly of each plane I fly.

Do you
completely disassemble every aircraft you fly and evaluate the
engineering design and structure of the entire aircraft yourself? Did
you require yourself to earn your structural engineernig degree before
working on your private? I'm still challenging your assertion that
trusting an A&P makes a pilot "dumb" and that only those of you
enlightened enough to have something you have yet to share with us
are not "dumb".

I tend to trust no single source including A&Ps. Never know if the one you
are talking to graduated first or last in the class. Some are outstanding
and some are simply wrench twisters and not very good at that.

-Robert

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Look at the way that NOT solid 'steal' tube is attached to the airframe
and
common sense says hands off. If I believed everything mechanics told me
I
would have been killed at least 10 times.

Javier wrote:
Gary Drescher wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Bafhg.19946$1i1.17134@attbi_s72...

Also, you must figure that the plane is 30+ years old. God knows how
many other times those attach points have been subjected to overload.

I cringe every time I think of it.


I wish planes (especially rental planes) had "Do not push here!"
stenciled on tempting but inappropriate places to push. That would be
as useful as many of the other placards.



I remember looking at the stickers on the control surfaces of a Yak at
SMO some years back.

They said "NO PUSHSKI"

As for the pair featured in Jay's posting, I gotta wonder:

What kind of guy sends The Girl to push the plane?

What kind of girl puts up with it?

-jav
I'd push the plane if I thought the other person had to use the rudder.
I'm lucky, I'm a pilot too, so if it requires pushing and rudder I
usually get the rudder duty, but I would push.

Margy

[quote=Jay Honeck]
Just as we started walking toward him to lend a hand, he shut the engine
down, and the door popped open.

out popped this guy's girl friend, who proceeded to walk back to
the stabilator, hunch down, put her shoulder into it, and started to PUSH
THE PLANE BACK ON THE GRASS, straining as hard as she could![/QUOTE=Jay Honeck]

Now that is a good women! Where can I find a girl like that?

David