Gasohol

On Jun 3, 7:31 pm, SS2MO wrote:

Currently retailers can save money by adding alcohol to the gasoline
because the alcohol is less expensive than gasoline, so they can blen
it in and sell it to you as auto gasoline - you may not know it.

I don't believe it's true anymore. At some point last year or so
wholesale price of ethonal started to exceed the wholesale price of 87
octane gasoline.

On Jun 7, 6:20 pm, M wrote:
On Jun 3, 7:31 pm, SS2MO wrote:

Currently retailers can save money by adding alcohol to the gasoline
because the alcohol is less expensive than gasoline, so they can blen
it in and sell it to you as auto gasoline - you may not know it.

I don't believe it's true anymore. At some point last year or so
wholesale price of ethonal started to exceed the wholesale price of 87
octane gasoline.

Today in Chicago, wholesale gasoline is trading at $2.30 per gallon.
This does not include freight to haul it from the terminal to the
retail outlet, taxes or the retailer margin. Ethanol in Chicago today
is trading for $2.05 per gallon. The blender of the ethanol receives
a 51 cent per gallon credit, so blending 10% alcohol reduces the price
5.1 cents per gallon.

$2.30 X 90% = $2.07
$2.05 - .051 X 10% = $.1997

$2.07 + $.1997 = $2.2697

This means that a retailer can blend alcohol tolday and sell it to you
as gasoline and save 3.03 cents per gallon. In many locations this is
double their margin.

On May 30, 7:13 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
Is it true that there is no longer any requirement to label gasoline contaminated with alcohol?

Good article hehttp://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Gasoline.html

I just did the add water to gas test on a couple of local gas sources and all contain alcohol, and none of the pumps
said anything about it. The feds just dropped the requirement to label the pumps and we all missed it?

Jay, where do you fill the grape from and how do you know there is no evil alcohol in it?

When MTBE was outlawed, the only financially feasable alternative was
alcohol. It is mantdated to be used in about 20 states, mostly on the
two coasts, but several other states have 5-10% alcohol mandates -
Missouri is the latest - their mandate begins Jan 08. Becides entire
states most of the nations major cities have mandates that require
alcohol to be added to increase the oxygen content of the gasoline to
reduce emmissions. Retail pump labeling is not a federal requirement,
it varies state by state. Some states require that retail pumps be
labled if the gasoline contains alcohol, other states do not have such
a requirement.

Even if you do not live in a state that requires the addition of
alcohol to auto gas, that is no guarantee that your gasoline does not
contain alcohol. Currently retailers can make an extra 5-7 cents per
gallon by adding 10% aclohol to their auto gas.

I recently did a presentation on alcohol in auto gas for an aviation
group. I took several samples of 87 octane auto gas and added 10 %
alcohol to some samples and to some of these mixture samples I added
20% water. You could not see the water in the sample. Alcohol
absorbs water - this is the danger of using it in aircrft. I then
lowered the temperature on the samples and the water froze and settled
out. This would have been a sure way to plug and line or injector.

"Pure" auto gas will generally be available at FBO's - then can order
it delivered without alcohol, but I would not use any auto fuel that I
bought at a retail outlet (Convenience Store) and hauled to the
airport with out doing an alcohol test.