Bad Engrish?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Aluckyguess writes:

The controller getting upset doesn't do any good. That just makes a
bad situation worse.

Given the workload of the controller and the potential risks, I think
he did very well.

You either take the time or you tell him to shut the thing
down.

It's unlikely the pilot would shut down; that would be a tremendous
loss of face. It's also unlikely that any amount of explanation would
allow a person who cannot understand English to suddenly start
understanding it.

Nobody needs to get upset. I hate it when controllers act all ****y.
I was flying through the palm springs tursa one day and ATC was
getting all over this guy in a helicopter. The guy didn't speak good
English and was getting more and more confused as the guy yelled at
him. I almost asked for his number so I could call him and remind him
what his job was.

The pilot, or the controller? If the pilot can't understand English,
he needs to stay on the ground.


Not in France, they don't!

Which just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about, yet
agin.



Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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El Maximo writes:

I don't give a **** what you think. I also know that many others also
don't give a **** what you think.

Then why do you feel compelled to tell me so?


Because you're a fun fun punching bag.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Thomas Borchert writes:

And, just like pilots, they should use standard phraseology! (Hint:
Neither "with you" nor "out of thirtyfivehundred" is)

Standard phraseology would not have helped here. The Chinese pilot
was simply incompetent in English.



Nope, worng agian, asshole


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bob Fry writes:

Yeah...but they should also train the controllers on how to ditch
their various accents themselves, slow down a bit, and deal with ESL
pilots. The burden can't be 100% on the pilots to understand
controllers.

False. This controller spoke very clearly; his accent was completely
unimportant. The pilot's English was horrible, and completely
unacceptable. All of the fault rests with the pilot.

You cannot "deal with" pilots who cannot speak English.


Yes, you can,. there is actually no requirement, in Franc,e for
instance, that the pilot should speak english to ATC.

Same is true of most countries, in fact



So, wrong again, asshole.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Thomas Borchert writes:

It's an easy sentence, agreed. However, it is NOT a sentence in the
AIM nor the Pilot/Controller Glossary or the ICAO standard
phraseology.

The AIM and glossary do not provide sentences, only sentence fragments
(with rare exceptions).

It is
also not the proper way to phrase a question in standard phraseology.
It is plain English, but that doesn't help a foreigner trained to
expect standard aviation phraseology. And THAT is exactly what
standard phraseology is for.

If the foreigner can understand English, he can understand
"non-standard" phrases.


God you're an idiot.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Thomas Borchert writes:

Read them (again)!

Reading them again will not change what they say.

He is not required to understand general English, he is required to
understand aviation English and standard phraseology.

There is no difference between the two, unfortunately.

Yes,there is, It's written in law,. So wrong again. #




Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Shirl writes:

How much more standard can it get than, "Were you cleared to the
ramp?" The question couldn't GET any more basic than that, and even
after asking four times, the guy *did not understand* that it was a
*question*, NOT a clearance. IMO, that clearly falls under the
heading of not "understanding" English. Not to mention his inability
to LISTEN and comprehend. How many times did the controller have to
repeat that he was saying "Mike/Alpha", NOT November? The guy was so
intent on reading back his instruction that he failed to even HEAR
what it was accurately.

Agreed.




Wrong agiasn


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Thomas Borchert writes:

Missed that one. Again, there are NO questions asked by changing
inflection in standard phraseology. The proper way would have been
"confirm you have been cleared..." or something like that.

The pilot still would not have understood, because he could not speak
English.


Lots of French pilots, German pilots, Italian Pilots andeven english
pilots, don't speak english..

And they are safe and allowed to fly.

(well, except the english ones)



Hmmm.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net writes:

Spoken like a true monophone American!

No, spoken like someone who is bilingual and teaches ESL for a living.

Accents are VERY important. You might try landing at Liverpool with a
controller speaking clearly in a Liverpudlian accent. You wouldn't
have a clue what he was saying.

A minority of British accents are very strong, but most are not,


Yes, they are.

Wrong again.

and
most American accents are mild compared to British accents.

It's not enough to speak clearly. The controller should speak a
standard English, like that used by network announcers and news
readers.

That would certainly be ideal, but in this case he wasn't that far
from the standard.



Spoken like someone who doesn't fly!



Heyt, you don't fly!



I wrote a recommendation for a graduate student
applying to Harvard for a PhD program. I had no doubt whatever that
she could handle the work with ease, but I had to admit that I was
sometimes mystified by her speech. ("Wolf" for example. She
pronounced it with a long O, and it became another word entirely.)

I feel sorry for any students she ends up teaching.





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No you don't.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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El Maximo writes:

You've admitted you don't make a very good living at it, therefore
you must be a poor instructor.

There is no correlation between the quality of the instructor and the
pay she receives in my area.


IOW you haven't got two francs to rub togetherm bankruptcy boi



Bertie