Is a "Go Around" an unfamiliar manoeuvre to a student pilot?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm

Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar
manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his
experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time and it was only his
second solo, but I was doing touch and go's and going around from about my
third hour onwards.

D.

On Jul 12, 10:56 pm, "David Wright"
wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm

Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar
manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation

I think this is probably a case where one needs to read the accident
report. I have a feeling that the news reporting may have simplified
a little too much. Anybody know where to find the report online?

On Jul 13, 12:09 am, James Sleeman wrote:
a little too much. Anybody know where to find the report online?

To answer my own question:

http://tinyurl.com/2fltym

( http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/sites/aai...0l__g_babb.cfm
)

James Sleeman schrieb:

To answer my own question:

http://tinyurl.com/2fltym

Thanks for the link. The report explains everything, if one reads it to
the end.

Thanks for the link. The report explains everything, if one reads it to
the end.

The non-standard phraseology used certainly seems to have been an important
factor.

D

David,

The non-standard phraseology used certainly seems to have been an important
factor.


Couldn't be. Ask MX.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Jul 12, 5:56 am, "David Wright"
wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm

Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar
manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his
experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time and it was only his
second solo, but I was doing touch and go's and going around from about my
third hour onwards.

D.

David, et al;
Each area and each instructor has a different idea of relative
importance for nearly every phase of flying. But, in my not so humble
opinion, far too much importance is placed on solo early. Many years
back, 10 hours was the magic number for solo and if you went over
that you were a clod not worthy of continued training. (Well,
something like that...)
It didn't take me long as an instructor to figure out if a student
couldn't do very basic flight manuevers safely, they had no business
flying solo!
As for landings, I remind my students, they only have one opportunity
for a safe landing for EVERY takeoff. And, further, each takeoff will
be followed by one of two things......a good approach and landing, or
a GO-AROUND hopefully to be followed by a good landing.
A go around is a very important skill to learn and it has to be
appropriate for the aircraft being flown. May I offer my own
dissertation on go arounds? Thank you. :)
The conditions that require an aborted landing are myriad and fluid.
So does the point when the pilot must make a decision to continue or
to go around. The common factor is a vertical descent rate that must
be arrested to effect a go around. The altitude may be 500'agl, or it
may be 10'agl under extremes. So, the most important thing to do is to
stop the descent and get stabilized while doing whatever has to be
accomplished in order to go back up and make another attempt or divert
to an alternate.
Most go around procedures require application of takeoff power
followed by reduction of flaps, or retraction of gear, or application
of collective (for the rotorheads) and the appropriate procedures for
both the aircraft and the operations involved.
I insist the student say out loud during the approach, the pertinent
numbers and what they are doing. When they are on short final they
must declare it to be a touchdown or a potential go around. If I
declare a "GO AROUND" THEY MUST APPLY TAKEOFF POWER, arrest the
descent, get stabilized, and then before they touch the flap control,
MUST call out their airspeed and a positive rate of climb. Once they
have done that, they can stage the flaps up and resume a normal climb.
In order for any student pilot to accomplish any kind of precison of
the aircraft, they must first learn the rudimentary skills for flight.
Teaching them nothing but touch and go landings is to their detriment.
Your technique and opinion will vary with mileage.
Cheers
Ol S&B Soaring Buzzard
World Infamous Pilot/Instructor

On 2007-07-12 05:53:14 -0700, Ol Shy & Bashful said:

On Jul 12, 5:56 am, "David Wright"
wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm

Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar
manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his
experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time and it was only his
second solo, but I was doing touch and go's and going around from about my
third hour onwards.

D.

David, et al;
Each area and each instructor has a different idea of relative
importance for nearly every phase of flying. But, in my not so humble
opinion, far too much importance is placed on solo early. Many years
back, 10 hours was the magic number for solo and if you went over
that you were a clod not worthy of continued training. (Well,
something like that...)
It didn't take me long as an instructor to figure out if a student
couldn't do very basic flight manuevers safely, they had no business
flying solo!

However, I would expect that a student pilot with 15 hours would fly a
go-around competently. Unfortunately, the tower did not really request
a go-around. They instead tried to instruct the student by giving him
step by step direction, a job that most tower controllers are
manifestly incapable of doing.

You gotta admit, no matter how bad you think the instructors are at
teaching people how to fly an airplane, the tower controllers are
probably a lot worse...

Maybe what the student's instructor really failed to teach him was what
it means to be PIC.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C,

Maybe what the student's instructor really failed to teach him was what
it means to be PIC.


Absolutely.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

David,

Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar
manoeuvre"


IMHO, it is impossible for an instructor to prepare a student for each
and every situation he might encounted. However, it IS not only
possible, but mandatory to prepare him to be flexible, think for
himself and adjust to unfamiliar situations. If the student hasn't
mastered that, he isn't ready for (solo) flying.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)