$16,619.85

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

It's undisputed that flying is considerably cheaper in the US.

The debate is whether flying in Europe is so astronomically expensive
that it's out of reach for normal people, and specifically if the
prices that "Dallas" found are typical.

That requires that you define "out of reach" and "normal people."

For most people in both Europe and the U.S., flying is either absolutely out
of reach (meaning that they cannot possibly afford it, no matter what
sacrifices are made), or practically out of reach (meaning that the sacrifices
required to scrape up the money are so great that they eclipse any desire to
fly).

A lot has changed since those halcyon days of the 1970s (which, incidentally,
also were very near the peak of buying power for Americans).

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

It's undisputed that flying is considerably cheaper in the US.

The debate is whether flying in Europe is so astronomically expensive
that it's out of reach for normal people, and specifically if the
prices that "Dallas" found are typical.

That requires that you define "out of reach" and "normal people."

Easy, look in a mirror.


Bertie

For most people in both Europe and the U.S., flying is either absolutely out
of reach (meaning that they cannot possibly afford it, no matter what
sacrifices are made), or practically out of reach (meaning that the sacrifices

That's just not true. Unless you are homeless and have no education,
its not such a big deal to at least learn to fly. I know a few teenage
kids at my local airport who earned their PPLs with just a part time
job at the FBO during the summers. It can be done and its actually a
cake if you have a college education. $5k or even $10k is not that
much in the grand scheme of things these days. That would be the cost
of a vacation trip to Europe for a family of 4.

wrote:
For most people in both Europe and the U.S., flying is either absolutely out
of reach (meaning that they cannot possibly afford it, no matter what
sacrifices are made), or practically out of reach (meaning that the sacrifices

That's just not true. Unless you are homeless and have no education,
its not such a big deal to at least learn to fly. I know a few teenage
kids at my local airport who earned their PPLs with just a part time
job at the FBO during the summers. It can be done and its actually a
cake if you have a college education. $5k or even $10k is not that
much in the grand scheme of things these days. That would be the cost
of a vacation trip to Europe for a family of 4.

You have to remember that Anthony's view of such things is colored by
the fact that he basically lives off the charity of alleged friends (the
folks who spent a week cleaning his tiny apartment for him - can you
imagine the sickening mess?). Have you checked out his lengthy begging
list at Amazon? Provides quite an insight into his obsessions over the
past six or seven years.

writes:

That's just not true. Unless you are homeless and have no education,
its not such a big deal to at least learn to fly.

Then why do so few people do it? In the U.S., less than 1/10 of one percent
of the population learns to fly.

I know a few teenage kids at my local airport who earned their
PPLs with just a part time job at the FBO during the summers.

How many teenage kids are willing to go to that extreme just to learn to fly?

It can be done and its actually a cake if you have a college education.

Why would a college education make it easier?

$5k or even $10k is not that
much in the grand scheme of things these days. That would be the cost
of a vacation trip to Europe for a family of 4.

Most families of four never go to Europe.