$16,619.85

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

It's undisputed that flying is considerably cheaper in the US.

The debate is whether flying in Europe is so astronomically expensive
that it's out of reach for normal people, and specifically if the
prices that "Dallas" found are typical.

That requires that you define "out of reach" and "normal people."

Easy, look in a mirror.


Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
Just for a PPL, I am not sure it does. It would still be a close call
though. You could probably get a PPL for something like $12K flying in
from Europe for a month. The extra 2K would be worth it since the
training in the US is probably a richer experience with so many
airports/airplanes/airspaces and the greater exposure to using English
on the radio.

That may well be the case for a lot of people from *mainland* Europe.
However, I know our instructors often say that people that come back from
the States with a PPL often have a lot less exposure to ATC, airspace and
(most importantly) marginal weather than you would get here in the UK.

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Hi,

In article
,
wrote:
Just for a PPL, I am not sure it does. It would still be a close call
though. You could probably get a PPL for something like $12K flying
in from Europe for a month. The extra 2K would be worth it since the
training in the US is probably a richer experience with so many
airports/airplanes/airspaces and the greater exposure to using
English on the radio.

That may well be the case for a lot of people from *mainland* Europe.
However, I know our instructors often say that people that come back
from the States with a PPL often have a lot less exposure to ATC,
airspace and (most importantly) marginal weather than you would get
here in the UK.


All good things when you;re trying to learn! The other stuff could be
categorised as advanced.
In any case, it's all in where in the US you learn. Most go to FLA or
similar because of the weather.

In any case, they will definitle learn more about aircraft handling than
they would in the UK.




Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
In any case, they will definitle learn more about aircraft handling than
they would in the UK.

Why do you say that? I would have thought the PPL syllabus in the two
countries would be relatively comparable. What things do they do in the
States that we wouldn't cover here in the UK?

Andy

Tina wrote:
Some horses can be shown a fresh water spring, but won't willingly
drink from it.

You know, if someone could rephase that last line, , it might become a
common saying. Bertie, would "Mx is an idiot" be a suitable rephasing?

Or the old "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her
think." With the last pronoun changed to "him" in this case.

On 30 Dec 2007 19:26:08 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

London has the highest living costs
Fair enough... I'll concede that it isn't as expensive as I was led to
believe.

*****

landing fees 880 EUR

Wolfgang, would you explain how landing fees work in Europe.

Does the fee apply to every landing, including local training such as touch
and gos?

Who does the accounting in this situation (who counts the landings) ?

Who does the billing/collection of the money?

Are you expected to pay on the day of use or can a towered airport record
your tail number and bill your address?


--
Dallas

"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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Tina wrote:
Some horses can be shown a fresh water spring, but won't willingly
drink from it.

You know, if someone could rephase that last line, , it might become a
common saying. Bertie, would "Mx is an idiot" be a suitable rephasing?

Or the old "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." With the
last pronoun changed to "him" in this case.

"You can take the boi out of the institution, but you can't take the institution out of
the boi."

For most people in both Europe and the U.S., flying is either absolutely out
of reach (meaning that they cannot possibly afford it, no matter what
sacrifices are made), or practically out of reach (meaning that the sacrifices

That's just not true. Unless you are homeless and have no education,
its not such a big deal to at least learn to fly. I know a few teenage
kids at my local airport who earned their PPLs with just a part time
job at the FBO during the summers. It can be done and its actually a
cake if you have a college education. $5k or even $10k is not that
much in the grand scheme of things these days. That would be the cost
of a vacation trip to Europe for a family of 4.

wrote:
For most people in both Europe and the U.S., flying is either absolutely out
of reach (meaning that they cannot possibly afford it, no matter what
sacrifices are made), or practically out of reach (meaning that the sacrifices

That's just not true. Unless you are homeless and have no education,
its not such a big deal to at least learn to fly. I know a few teenage
kids at my local airport who earned their PPLs with just a part time
job at the FBO during the summers. It can be done and its actually a
cake if you have a college education. $5k or even $10k is not that
much in the grand scheme of things these days. That would be the cost
of a vacation trip to Europe for a family of 4.

You have to remember that Anthony's view of such things is colored by
the fact that he basically lives off the charity of alleged friends (the
folks who spent a week cleaning his tiny apartment for him - can you
imagine the sickening mess?). Have you checked out his lengthy begging
list at Amazon? Provides quite an insight into his obsessions over the
past six or seven years.

Rich Ahrens wrote:
Have you checked out his lengthy begging
list at Amazon? Provides quite an insight into his obsessions over the
past six or seven years.

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