Saddam Capture - End to resistance?

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:36:28 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
(Denyav) wrote:

You misspelled "USSR."


Do you think that the persons like Roger Morris and Jim Eichelberger were USSR
officials?

You were talking about someone having Saddam in his pocket for 30 years.

That's the USSR/Russia, not the USA, by any stretch.

With significant help from France and Germany.

Al Minyard

"John Keeney" wrote in message
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"Yama" wrote in message
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...which he paid with US money...

The vast majority of which, I suspect, he did not get from the United
States.
Simply the chosen currency of the oil market.
And an absolutely meaningless statement.

The fact is that he got credit from USA (plus some other support).
Obviously, not enough to cover vast Iraqi war expenses, but he did get some.

As for unpaid Iraqi war loans, interesting piece about it:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...aker_s_trip_18
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"Germany and the United States, like France, are ready not only for debt
restructuring but also for substantial debt forgiveness toward Iraq (news -
web sites)," German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's spokesman Bela Anda said
in a statement.
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In article ,
"Yama" wrote:

The fact is that he got credit from USA (plus some other support).
Obviously, not enough to cover vast Iraqi war expenses, but he did get some.

So, if someone is upset about the dealings the US had with Iraq, they
should be *furious* at Germany, France, Russia, and China.

But, for some reason, the folks who are complaining about a fifteen year
old deal can't seem to get upset about anything more recent by anyone
else...

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cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Yama" wrote in message
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"John Keeney" wrote in message
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"Yama" wrote in message
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...which he paid with US money...

The vast majority of which, I suspect, he did not get from the United
States.
Simply the chosen currency of the oil market.
And an absolutely meaningless statement.

The fact is that he got credit from USA (plus some other support).
Obviously, not enough to cover vast Iraqi war expenses, but he did get
some.

Got a URL showing any thing significant?

As for unpaid Iraqi war loans, interesting piece about it:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...aker_s_trip_18

Nothing there about the US sending Saddam money.

"John Keeney" wrote in message
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Got a URL showing any thing significant?

As for unpaid Iraqi war loans, interesting piece about it:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...aker_s_trip_18

Nothing there about the US sending Saddam money.



The bulk of Iraq's foreign debts appear to be

other gulf states ($50 billion)
Russia ($8 billion)
France ($8 billion)
Germany ($5 billion)
Japan ($4 billion)

These figures do not include interest which apparently
already amounts to similar numbers and which is of
course compounding as we speak.

Its was in part Kuwait's suggestion that Iraq repay its
debts that led to the invasion of that nation.

The so called Paris club (I kid you not) of western debtors
are insisting that Iraq pay up. So while the US aand Britain are
spending lives and billions of dollars stabilising Iraq and rebuilding
that nation the Paris club are lecturing piously from the sidelines while
trying their dammdest to collect their pound of flesh and insisting
they get a share of the reconstruction contracts.

Chutzpah seems an inadequate term somehow.

Keith

In message , Keith Willshaw
writes
The so called Paris club (I kid you not) of western debtors
are insisting that Iraq pay up. So while the US aand Britain are
spending lives and billions of dollars stabilising Iraq and rebuilding
that nation the Paris club are lecturing piously from the sidelines while
trying their dammdest to collect their pound of flesh and insisting
they get a share of the reconstruction contracts.

Conversely, what incentive do they now have to forgive those debts?

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When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Keith Willshaw
writes
The so called Paris club (I kid you not) of western debtors
are insisting that Iraq pay up. So while the US aand Britain are
spending lives and billions of dollars stabilising Iraq and rebuilding
that nation the Paris club are lecturing piously from the sidelines while
trying their dammdest to collect their pound of flesh and insisting
they get a share of the reconstruction contracts.

Conversely, what incentive do they now have to forgive those debts?

Well, the continued enmity of the US can get to be quite expensive in the
long run, for one.

Brooks

On or about Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:09:29 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
allegedly uttered:


"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Keith Willshaw
writes
The so called Paris club (I kid you not) of western debtors
are insisting that Iraq pay up. So while the US aand Britain are
spending lives and billions of dollars stabilising Iraq and rebuilding
that nation the Paris club are lecturing piously from the sidelines while
trying their dammdest to collect their pound of flesh and insisting
they get a share of the reconstruction contracts.

Conversely, what incentive do they now have to forgive those debts?

Well, the continued enmity of the US can get to be quite expensive in the
long run, for one.

Because the US is being so friendly to Russia, France, and Germany at
the moment?

Seriously, what have they got to lose?

---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

Conversely, what incentive do they now have to forgive those debts?

The concept of "odious debt," which means that a country that has been
under a despot (or external control) is not indebted to the countries
that loaned that despot money. Actually, the question is not whether
those countries even get the *chance* to "forgive" debts, it's a
question of whether the Iraqis decide to just not pay them.

"Odious debt" is a concept, humorously enough, invented by the French
and used in the past.

Who suddenly decided it was a bad idea, er, a few months ago.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Peter Kemp" peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom@ wrote in message
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On or about Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:09:29 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
allegedly uttered:


"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Keith Willshaw
writes
The so called Paris club (I kid you not) of western debtors
are insisting that Iraq pay up. So while the US aand Britain are
spending lives and billions of dollars stabilising Iraq and rebuilding
that nation the Paris club are lecturing piously from the sidelines
while
trying their dammdest to collect their pound of flesh and insisting
they get a share of the reconstruction contracts.

Conversely, what incentive do they now have to forgive those debts?

Well, the continued enmity of the US can get to be quite expensive in the
long run, for one.

Because the US is being so friendly to Russia, France, and Germany at
the moment?

What you want to bet that those nations that get on the Iraqi-debt-reduction
bandwagon end up enjoying more largesse from the US than those who don't?


Seriously, what have they got to lose?

Seriously, continuing to act as they have been of late can get expensive.

Brooks