Do CAP members salute?

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On Sep 23, 12:13 am, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
You're assuming he has 30 years of flying, as we only have his word on
that.
You are correct in that ratings aren't the only thing required to
demonstrate competence, but what exactly has he done to demonstrate
competence other than keep himself alive for his 50 or unfathomable or
whatever hours he actually does have? One thing I do know is that Lt.
Col
James Henderson managed to keep himself alive flying for more years that
he
did. He demonstrated his competence when he completed his instrument
rating. He demonstrated his competence when he achieved his commercial
rating. He demonstrated his competence by flying thousands of hours of
pipeline patrol. He demonstrated his competence when he completed his
biannual CAP mountain qualification. He demonstrated his competence by
becoming a CAP check pilot. He demonstrated his competence by
maintaining
his BFR on a yearly basis, and he demonstrated his competence on a
monthly
basis in order to be qualified to fly the type of mission he was flying.

James Henderson gave his life trying to save the life of a kid who was
lost
in the mountains. He gave his live as a part of a volunteer organization
that helps thousands of people each year, saves dozens of lives, and
teaches
tens of thousands of kids respect, community involvement, and aviation.
As
a part of that organization, James Henderson donated a considerable
amount
of time , his money, and his skills. This is an organization that Mr.
Haas
proved he has too much ego to be a part. Now he wants to try and
belittle
James Henderson and that organization as he tries to pretend he is a
more
competent and experienced pilot who never does anything stupid. So draw
your own conclusions. The one I have is that Mr. Haas is nothing more
than
a blowhard piece of human filth who needs to cast disparity on those who
are
better than he is in order to inflate his already enormous ego. YMMV.-

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Ya just can't let go. A true CAP member..

Fact,,, After all the glowing things you have said about James
Henderson and all his aviation skills, he is DEAD,,, from his poor
flying skills, And he killed two other human being during his act of
stupidity. Somehow you forgot to praise those poor souls..

As yet, you haven't defammed them, so I saw no need.

I can't wait to see your glowing report on Mr Anderson and his fine
aviating skills.

I'm only pointing out that in all likelihood, both pilots were far more
competent and experienced than you will probably ever become in the rest of
your pathetic life.


As you might know going through the ranks of the CAP require you to
progress from observer, which is rear seat , to scanner, which is
right front seat to mission pilot. That would be the one Mr James
Henderson was in. During my first and only SAREX it became quite clear
that poor ol me, in the rear seat to get "blessed"and move up front, I
was at the mercy of the piloting skills of "experienced and competent"
CAP pilots. Ya see, from the rear seat I can't take control of the
aircraft when said "competent and experienced" pilots do something
that might kill me. What I saw during the first and only SAREX
conviced me to not continue to put myself at risk and as any good
pilot would,mitigate those issues which would take my life. I survived
to fly another day. Guess what Mike, if that really is your name. I
fly almost every day. Mr James Henderson is not flying anymore.

I'm sure the looking through your own distorted version of reality, few
measure up to the vast experience and competency you've demonstrated, eh?

As with most government organizations the tactic is to kill the
messenger when they point out flaws in the system. I was and still
will do what I can to warn other good and safe pilots to think twice
before getting into a situation that might take their life. CAP has a
poor record of safety. Lets look at the Wyoming wing. There were four
planes, two were destroyed in fatal crashes. That is a 50% loss rate.
To you CAP guys it must be acceptable, It is definately not acceptable
to me.

"kill the messenger"? How funny. Do you actually think you can belittle a
deceased person who was several times the man you will ever be without
drawing any scrutiny on yourself?

In closing I want to say there are great pilots in the CAP, Bill, the
local guy is outstanding in his flying skills, the real problem is
during a training mission or an actual event one gets paired up with
other flight crews. I will be damned if I am going to be taken out by
a "competent and experienced" CAP pilot. I am kinda amazed the CAP
headquarters has not told you to "tone down" and quit scaring away
future CAP members. You don't see it but your posts are quite clearly
a detriment to the Air Force and its CAP side show.

.....sez the piece of human filth who defames people who can't possibly
defend themselves.

PS, Those words in your last rant about me are grounds for a
defamation suit, and since you work for Microsoft and are probably
bringing in 6 figures+ a year I would say your assets look pretty
inviting to a hungry lawyer, and you used Mircosoft's server to post
it. That, my friend is called "gravy"

I do make 6 figures, sunshine. My IP address is listed in all my headers.
Bring it on if you think you can. Feel free to list the exact phrase you
feel qualifies as defamation. Meanwhile you might be interested to know
defamation can also be charged by the estate of a deceased person on their
behalf. Are you so secure in your own assertions?

"romeomike" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:


James Henderson gave his life trying to save the life of a kid who was
lost in the mountains.

I have no disrespect for the man or the CAP, but I'm curious as to what,
in your opinion, was the cause of those poor souls losing their lives?

I don't care to speculate because too many variables exist to make any sort
of meaningful determination. It's quite possible that Lt. Col Henderson
encountered conditions that few pilots could have ever recovered. Mountain
flying is hazardous under the best of conditions, and they certainly didn't
have the best of conditions that day. Sparky Imeson crashed just a few
months ago while giving instruction. That sure as hell doesn't mean that
Mr. Haas is a better, more competent, more experienced, or smarter pilot
than he is simply because he has never faced similar consequences, although
I'm sure he might argue otherwise using his distorted logic.

On Sep 23, 5:11*pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"romeomike" wrote in message

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Mike wrote:

James Henderson gave his life trying to save the life of a kid who was
lost in the mountains.

I have no disrespect for the man or the CAP, but I'm curious as to what,
in your opinion, was the cause of those poor souls losing their lives?

I don't care to speculate because too many variables exist to make any sort
of meaningful determination. *It's quite possible that Lt. Col Henderson
encountered conditions that few pilots could have ever recovered. *Mountain
flying is hazardous under the best of conditions, and they certainly didn't
have the best of conditions that day. *Sparky Imeson crashed just a few
months ago while giving instruction. *That sure as hell doesn't mean that
Mr. Haas is a better, more competent, more experienced, or smarter pilot
than he is simply because he has never faced similar consequences, although
I'm sure he might argue otherwise using his distorted logic.

Straight from the NTSB report.. Mike seems to have overlooked this
very important part. During my first few hours of flight training,
gathering weather info was foremost in being able to perform a safe
and uneventful flight.... Any one flying in the mountians is even more
sensitive to this.


NTSB .The pilot of the aircraft that located the initial fire
noted that
there were "high winds and surface friction causing turbulence."
There
was no record of the pilot obtaining a weather briefing from the FAA
Flight Service Station or the Direct User Access Terminal System
(DUATS).


My distorted logic concludes he didn't do what any low time pilot
would have.. Check the friggin WEATHER !!!!!!

I am not wasting any more time explaining the facts that are on record
to Mike. Altho that is probably not his real name. Just by clicking on
the view profile box that shows up on my google usenet reader is shows
he visited some computer areas. No where is the name Mike showing up.

over and OUT.

Ben.

Hey , thats my real name too.

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On Sep 23, 5:11 pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
"romeomike" wrote in message

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Mike wrote:

James Henderson gave his life trying to save the life of a kid who
was
lost in the mountains.

I have no disrespect for the man or the CAP, but I'm curious as to
what,
in your opinion, was the cause of those poor souls losing their
lives?

I don't care to speculate because too many variables exist to make any
sort
of meaningful determination. It's quite possible that Lt. Col
Henderson
encountered conditions that few pilots could have ever recovered.
Mountain
flying is hazardous under the best of conditions, and they certainly
didn't
have the best of conditions that day. Sparky Imeson crashed just a few
months ago while giving instruction. That sure as hell doesn't mean
that
Mr. Haas is a better, more competent, more experienced, or smarter
pilot
than he is simply because he has never faced similar consequences,
although
I'm sure he might argue otherwise using his distorted logic.

Straight from the NTSB report.. Mike seems to have overlooked this
very important part. During my first few hours of flight training,
gathering weather info was foremost in being able to perform a safe
and uneventful flight.... Any one flying in the mountians is even more
sensitive to this.


NTSB .The pilot of the aircraft that located the initial fire
noted that
there were "high winds and surface friction causing turbulence."
There
was no record of the pilot obtaining a weather briefing from the FAA
Flight Service Station or the Direct User Access Terminal System
(DUATS).


My distorted logic concludes he didn't do what any low time pilot
would have.. Check the friggin WEATHER !!!!!!

How do you know he DIDN'T check the weather, Benny? FSS or DUATs might be
the official source, but thousands of pilots every day use other sources for
their information, especially during August of 2007 when many locations had
TWO HOUR HOLD TIMES to get through to a FSS briefer, assuming they could get
through at all. Clearly according to the NTSB report Lt. Col Henderson was
well aware of the TFR which means he was getting his information from
somewhere. If you were smart enough to read more NTSB reports, you'd find a
very large percentage of them have the exact same statement. That doesn't
even begin to mean that you're more competent, more experienced, or a better
pilot (as you allege) than all of them. You sure are a dumb oaf for someone
who claims to be smarter than everyone else, Benny.


I am not wasting any more time explaining the facts that are on record
to Mike. Altho that is probably not his real name. Just by clicking on
the view profile box that shows up on my google usenet reader is shows
he visited some computer areas. No where is the name Mike showing up.

Probably because you're too stupid to realize your hi-tech google usenet
reader keys on the email field for the profile which means that anyone using
the generic "nospam@ microsoft.com" in the email field would show up in that
profile. You sure are a dumb oaf for someone who claims to be smarter than
everyone else, Benny.


over and OUT.

Ben.

Hey , thats my real name too.

No doubt. That's because you choose to spam most of your replies with the
web site of your half-fast business, Benny, so it wouldn't make much sense
for you to do anything differently now would it?

"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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anyone using the generic "nospam@ microsoft.com" in the email field
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That's not the proper "generic" way to do what you want. RFC 2606 outlines
best practices - and has for the last 9 years. If you want to use an
invalid address, use something like lid. The address you
are using would, if it does anything, cause some extra spam to flow toward
Microsoft's e-mail servers.

Jim Logajan wrote in
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"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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anyone using the generic "nospam@ microsoft.com" in the email field
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That's not the proper "generic" way to do what you want. RFC 2606
outlines best practices - and has for the last 9 years. If you want to
use an invalid address, use something like lid. The
address you are using would, if it does anything, cause some extra
spam to flow toward Microsoft's e-mail servers.


There's a down side here, is there?

Bertie

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"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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anyone using the generic "nospam@ microsoft.com" in the email field
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That's not the proper "generic" way to do what you want. RFC 2606 outlines
best practices - and has for the last 9 years. If you want to use an
invalid address, use something like lid. The address you
are using would, if it does anything, cause some extra spam to flow toward
Microsoft's e-mail servers.

Well, also sometimes I don't hold my pinky out when I'm drinking tea.

"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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anyone using the generic "nospam@ microsoft.com" in the email field
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That's not the proper "generic" way to do what you want. RFC 2606
outlines best practices - and has for the last 9 years. If you want
to use an invalid address, use something like lid.
The address you are using would, if it does anything, cause some
extra spam to flow toward Microsoft's e-mail servers.

Well, also sometimes I don't hold my pinky out when I'm drinking tea.



Savage

Bertie

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| | | The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems
| | | to be variable. Just two days ago, there were three
| | | officers in
| uniform,
| | | two Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's
| | | at a local disaster drill.
| | |
| | | Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us
| | | (he
| had
| | | a first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how
| | | are you, good day, or something similar. He certainly would
| | | have
| been
| | | welcome to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with
| | | some
| ways
| | | we could work with CAP and the military to enhance our
| | | disaster preparedness.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP
| | | personell are as
| | | crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not
| | | qualified to be a security gaurd in a mall.
| | |
| | | This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a
| | | mixed
| bag.
| | | Many members were in the real air force and many have retired
| | | from the same. I know several CAP colonels who were real
| | | colonels in
| the
| | | real USAF. There's also a lot of members who just like to
| | | fly and have fun and could care less about the pretend
| | | military gig. The pretend air force aspect of CAP is mostly
| | | for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in dues does not make
| | | one an officer, although there are many who seem to think it
| | | does. For senior members, there's also the option of wearing
| | | CAP distinctive uniforms which display
| no
| | | rank insignia. That's the option preferred by those who
| | | don't really want to pretend they are in the military.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | Yeah, true enough, there are a lot of good guys in the CAP,
| | | They
| are
| | | in a minority, though. I can't see how they can stand it.
| | |
| | | It all depends on the squadron you're in. Some are more into
| | | the flying aspect and less into the pretend military aspect.
| | | Those tend to be the more capable squadrons for air ops because
| | | they are less tolerant of pilots who can't fly their thumb up
| | | their arse. At
| least
| | | in my observations. There's lots of CAP pilots who don't ever
| | | fly unless it's on the CAP dime. As such they may go 3-4
| | | months without flying at all. Those types of guys aren't well
| | | tolerated in
| squadrons
| | | that are more serious about the flying aspect.
| | |
| | |
| | | Whatever turns them on. Not worth my time to even think about
| | | them, mostly.
| | |
| | | bertie
| | |
| |
| | I seriously doubt they give a **** what you think. Most intelligent
| people
| | don't.
| |
| | That explains why you reply to each of his posts.
| |
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| | | "Viperdoc" wrote in
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| | | The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to
| be
| | | variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in
| | | uniform, two Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set
| of
| | | BDU's at a local disaster drill.
| | |
| | | Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us
| (he
| | | had a first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say
| how
| | | are you, good day, or something similar. He certainly would
| | | have been welcome to stand with us, share ideas, and come up
| | | with some ways we could work with CAP and the military to
| | | enhance our disaster preparedness.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP
| | | personell are as
| | | crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not
| | | qualified to be a security gaurd in a mall.
| | |
| | | This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed
| | | bag. Many members were in the real air force and many have
| | | retired from the same. I know several CAP colonels who were
| real
| | | colonels in the real USAF. There's also a lot of members who
| | | just like to fly and have fun and could care less about the
| | | pretend military gig. The pretend air force aspect of CAP is
| | | mostly for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in dues does not
| make
| | | one an officer, although there are many who seem to think it
| | | does. For senior members, there's also the option of wearing
| CAP
| | | distinctive uniforms which display no rank insignia. That's
| the
| | | option preferred by those who don't really want to pretend
| they
| | | are in the military.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | Yeah, true enough, there are a lot of good guys in the CAP,
| They
| | | are in a minority, though. I can't see how they can stand it.
| | |
| | | It all depends on the squadron you're in. Some are more into
| the
| | | flying aspect and less into the pretend military aspect. Those
| | | tend to be the more capable squadrons for air ops because they
| are
| | | less tolerant of pilots who can't fly their thumb up their arse.
| | | At least in my observations. There's lots of CAP pilots who
| don't
| | | ever fly unless it's on the CAP dime. As such they may go 3-4
| | | months without flying at all. Those types of guys aren't well
| | | tolerated in squadrons that are more serious about the flying
| | | aspect.
| | |
| | |
| | | Whatever turns them on. Not worth my time to even think about
| them,
| | | mostly.
| | |
| | | bertie
| | |
| |
| | I seriously doubt they give a **** what you think. Most intelligent
| | people don't.
| |
| |
| |
| | I don;'t care.
| |
| |
| | And you obviously are obvlivious to everything outside of your own
| world
| | view, which pretty much just consists of your illoeceal valve.
| |
| |
| | Bertie
| |
| |
|
| Exactly the problem. You don't care about anything, or anyone, except
| yourself.
|
| That's one of your many illnesses.
|
|
|
| C'mon Maxine, another IKYABWAI poast?
|
| I know you can't do any better, but at least mix them up with some gay
| lames or something.
|
|
| Bertie