Run In With Mr. Edwards

Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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After living in Iowa for the last 7 years, it seemed that we were the only
ones left who had NOT been to the "Great Iowa State Fair." This year is
the 150th anniversary of this grand old tradition, so last weekend we
decided to check it out.


SNIP

Jay,

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who is making the security rules. It would
seem that there is only one all encompasing, over-riding sentiment among all
levels of law enforcement and security personell:

"A repeat of 9/11(using anything that flies...from a Cri-Cri to an A380...)
ain't gonna happen on MY watch..."

The fact that the "unwashed masses" now view any type of aircraft with a
jaundiced eye is by far the saddest and most disgusting after effect of
9/11.

Just my $0.02...

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
39.3 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:%F9Wc.69882$TI1.15818@attbi_s52...
They should have shot the lying, treasonous war
criminal a long time ago. He betrayed his country, he betrayed everyone
who
served in Vietnam, he met with enemy leaders, he deliberately killed
babies
and then justified by claiming in Congressional testimony that everyone
else
was doing it

While I share some of your distaste for Mr. Kerry, CJ, I think you've
taken
your point "a bit" too far. Kerry is (or, at least, was) an honorable
man,
and I wish him the best in the upcoming election.

I don't want this to become a "bash Kerry" or "trash Bush" thread. What
we,
as pilots, need, is to discuss intelligent, constructive ways to influence
our government officials so that ridiculous crap like this doesn't happen
to
more and more pilots.

I'm all for logical, sensible security strategies for our presidential
candidates, but what they did to my family was just stupid. We weren't a
threat, and we couldn't have become a threat. If they THOUGHT we were
potential threats, they could have escorted us to our plane, and searched
it. They could have had the FBO guys tow my plane to the OTHER FBO on the
OTHER side of the field, and we could have departed from there. (Those
planes were coming and going freely throughout this episode.)

They had a myriad of options, all of which they chose to ignore. The only
thing that satisfied them was my complete immobility, which is no
different
than treating me like a suspected criminal.

They wouldn't dare treat a suspected criminal the way they treated you.
They have laws protecting them. We have the patriot act which puts the law
abiding citizen somewhat lower than pond scum.

And I resent it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:%F9Wc.69882$TI1.15818@attbi_s52...
I don't want this to become a "bash Kerry" or "trash Bush" thread.

What a bizarre thing to write. You *started* the thread as a "bash Kerry"
(well, bash his VP candidate) thread.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:4w9Wc.69806$TI1.46647@attbi_s52...
I thought the Democrats were saying that Kerry and Edwards were "the
Answer"
to these problems, Pete?

Why would you think that? I haven't seen a single statement from anyone
qualified to speak about the Democratic platform that would suggest that.
If anything, they are playing up the "Bush hasn't done enough" crap about
security.

What in the world makes you think that the Democrats "were saying that Kerry
and Edwards were 'the Answer' to these problems"?

Pete

"Chuck" wrote in message
om...
True, but why does a *candidate* need all of the protection paid for by
the
tax payers?

Frankly, I don't think the in-office President needs all of it.

I'm not saying that what Jay experienced was justified or right. I'm just a
little irked at his blatantly prejudiced post. He could have simply
described the situation accurately, but instead he used inflammatory remarks
at every opportunity.

Pete

Jim Weir writes:
[A lot of good stuff]

Right on, Mr. Weir.

I was 18 in '73 and they were only drafting the first 20 or 30
numbers, and that's how I missed the draft. A good thing too...I know
I would have been f***ed in the head if I had been forced to go.

The son of a good friend of mine came back messed up in the
head...never did get back to normal.

Another friend who tramped around in the jungle for a year died of
liver cancer at age 52. Agent Orange? Maybe. The brother of another
friend also died of some weird cancer which the military finally
admitted was caused by AO.

I hope Vietnam can once again become the name of a country, not a
stupid war we arrogantly got involved in. Who's the real traitor--try
LBJ.

I respect the military, but sure as hell don't worship them like some
posters in these newsgroups. Hurray for Kerry, who actually uses his
brain to think, instead of his balls. The man joined up and served
honorably, saw with his own eyes what a screwed up situation the war
was, came home and tried to do something about it. What was Shrub
doing, BTW? Coke and booze?

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Couldn't you or Mary just do three quick patterns (full-stop) and be legal
to fly at night?

Sure, but that would be terribly impractical.

Do you think some FAA cop is going to be waiting for you to make sure
you had 3 night landings in the last 90 days?

Just frigging fly home at night and be done with it. Big deal.

Presidential candidates have been afforded SS protection since the '68
election when both Robert Kennedy and George Wallace were shot.



"Chuck" wrote in message
om...

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news91Wc.21556$9d6.17529@attbi_s54...
[...] If this is what we have to look forward to under a
Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come.

Of all the idiotic posts you've made, this is certainly one of them.

Couldn't you at least *pretend* to hide your prejudice? Do you have
even
a
shred of evidence that the exact same thing wouldn't have happened to
you
had Dick Cheney showed up at the same airport in 1999? No, of course
not.




True, but why does a *candidate* need all of the protection paid for by
the
tax payers?


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"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Well, Mr. Weir. Take a piece of me, then. Blast me if you wish. Although I
was not in the draft mix (my number was 284), I signed onto the Air Force
anyway. I believed we were right and I still believe that. In any event,
Kerry had no business saying that everybody serving in Vietnam was a bunch
of war criminals. He did not have to meet with communist leaders. He did not
have to raise money for an assassination attempt on senators.