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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
Gary Drescher wrote:
"Skywise" wrote in message ... I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the slave owners stole from the black population? Thought so. And both the blacks and the whites stole it from the native Americans, so if anyone is owed compensation.... :-) Matt |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Skywise" wrote in message ... Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me, and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging. You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to its rightful owner). And who determines the rightful owner? Matt |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
: "Skywise" wrote in message ... Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me, and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging. You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to its rightful owner). Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people back to their African home nations? Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
: "Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , "Gary Drescher" wrote: If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it, wouldn't it be just for me to recover it from you? If I am innocent, why would it be just to punish me? It would not. That's why I didn't suggest it. (For example, I did not suggest that you be imprisoned for the theft; *that* would be an appropriate punishment for whoever is guilty of the theft.) Seeking to return stolen property to its rightful owner is not legally or morally the same as seeking to punish whoever had received the stolen property, innocently or not. (Of course, if you knew or had reason to know that it was stolen, then you're not so innocent at all.) --Gary Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years ago by people and to people who are long dead. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in
newsAtgg.26330$ZW3.14292@dukeread04: If you question my memory, you're certainly free to research the matter and print your results. Actually, Jim, the burden of proof is upon the claimant. For example, if I claim to have seen a leprechaun, the burden is on me to provide evidence of said observation. Your statement would be like me asking for everyone else to prove that I did not see it, which is impossible. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com... Saw this clip today about a derelict 1950's era AA gun sitting in some guy's yard near DFW airport. "Concerned individuals" (i.e. dimwits) called the news station worried about the gun being pointed toward the airport, and being used to target aircraft(!) Fer Christ's sake, did they notice the tall grass growing all around the thing? Don't most public libraries and VFW halls have an old howitzer sitting outside? Sheeesh... http://www.nbc5i.com/video/9304340/index.html I lurk a lot post a little. I had to comment on this one. Incredible. Are people really this stupid, and is the local news in Dallas really hurting for stories this bad. The rest of this thread was interesting. The idea of reparations, while an interesting topic for debate, is unworkable in many ways. The first and most obvious, who will pay and who will be paid? How are you going to determine this? You would have to do family trees for every person in America, and every person who has lived in America. Every black person, or person of black heritage, in America is not a descendant of a former slave. Nor is every white person, or person of white heritage, a descendant of a former slave owner. |
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"BucFan" wrote in message
... "Kingfish" wrote in message ups.com... Saw this clip today about a derelict 1950's era AA gun sitting in some guy's yard near DFW airport. "Concerned individuals" (i.e. dimwits) called the news station worried about the gun being pointed toward the airport, and being used to target aircraft(!) Fer Christ's sake, did they notice the tall grass growing all around the thing? Don't most public libraries and VFW halls have an old howitzer sitting outside? Sheeesh... http://www.nbc5i.com/video/9304340/index.html I lurk a lot post a little. I had to comment on this one. Incredible. Are people really this stupid, and is the local news in Dallas really hurting for stories this bad. The rest of this thread was interesting. The idea of reparations, while an interesting topic for debate, is unworkable in many ways. The first and most obvious, who will pay and who will be paid? How are you going to determine this? You would have to do family trees for every person in America, and every person who has lived in America. Every black person, or person of black heritage, in America is not a descendant of a former slave. Nor is every white person, or person of white heritage, a descendant of a former slave owner. And you'll find that you also have white people with black slaves in their family history and black people with white slave owners in their family trees as well. eg: Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings... Jay B |
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Others, with better memories, have posted the verification.
The author of the book worked for the Washington Post, Ted Stanson posted this... " I saw the same interview on C-SPAN several years ago. Mr. Macklin's recollection is not inaccurate. I don't remember the exact words, phrases, and punctuation used, but Mr. Macklin correctly posted the gist of it here. Before challenging one's "worldview" and making remarks questioning "intellectual integrity," it's surely best to know what you are talking about." And Matt Barrow posted this... "Keith Richburg http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=799 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...067579-4302305 (Out of Africa: A Black Man Confronts Africa)." "Skywise" wrote in message ... | "Jim Macklin" wrote in | newsAtgg.26330$ZW3.14292@dukeread04: | | If you question my memory, you're certainly free to | research the matter and print your results. | | Actually, Jim, the burden of proof is upon the claimant. | | For example, if I claim to have seen a leprechaun, the | burden is on me to provide evidence of said observation. | Your statement would be like me asking for everyone else | to prove that I did not see it, which is impossible. | | Brian | -- | http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism | Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html | Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html | Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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"Skywise" wrote in message
... Returning stolen property to it's rightful owner is one thing. But we are talking about you and me today paying blacks of today some sort of punitive reparations for what happened over a hundred years ago by people and to people who are long dead. Who is talking about *punitive* reparations? --Gary |
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"Skywise" wrote in message
... "Gary Drescher" wrote in : "Skywise" wrote in message ... Somewhere along the line in the past one of our ancesters probably killed someone in cold blood. So, since you, me, and anyone else probably benefitted from this murder, then we should report to the nearest gallows to await our hanging. You apparently fail to grasp the distinction between punishment (which no one in this debate advocates) and civil reparation (returning something to its rightful owner). Ahhh...ok...then that means we have to give all the black people back to their African home nations? That only follows if you regard black people as property (and your comment suggests you do). --Gary |
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