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Cherokee 235 vs Trinidad vs Comanche
Matt Whiting wrote:
What is Vs and Vx on the Pathfinder? For comparison purposes from my PA28-236/Dakota manual... Vx = 73 kts Vy = 85 kts Vs = 56 kts / flaps 40 = 65 kts / flaps 0 Total fuel = 77 gal Usuable fuel = 72 gal * the 236 is a taper wing with two fuel tanks, the 235 is a straight Hershey bar wing with four fuel tanks Max gross wt = 3000 lbs Max ramp wt = 3011 lbs For the airplane I flew, BEW = 1789 lbs, or 1222 lbs useful load ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The C182R that I fly, the manual lists the following... Vx = 59 kts Vy = 81 kts Vs = 40 kts / flaps 40 = 50 kts / flaps 0 Total fuel = 92 gal Usable fuel = 88 gal Max gross wt = 3100 lbs Max ramp wt = 3110 For this airplane, BEW =1880, or 1230 lbs useful load |
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Cherokee 235 vs Trinidad vs Comanche
Jay Honeck wrote:
With Skyhawks, I'd agree. Skylanes, however, are very heavy in pitch (by comparison), and feel very truck-like. Our Pathfinder is postively dainty-feeling, by comparison, and it's not known for being light on the controls. C182's have a spring in the pitch control. This provides and artificial "heavy" feel to the elevator control. Several years ago, Richard Collins wrote an article which examined the design factors and accident rates of several popular GA single engine piston aircraft. Collin's assertion was that the artifical heavy feel of the Skylane's elevator contributed to its safety record since any pull or push had to be deliberate and felt. With the other aircraft he reviewed, the elevator pressure was lighter and contol inputs could be made without realizing it. This is important in instrument flying. |
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Newps,
Visibility? Nope, I don't think so. Well, I do. Definitely. I fly a TB-10 Tobago now (same airframe), and I have about 70 hours in 35s and 33s. The Bo is still nice ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Newps,
It's just going to cost more all around. More than something from Beech??? Come on. Let's just say you seem to really like your Bo... ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Thomas Borchert wrote: Newps, It's just going to cost more all around. More than something from Beech??? Come on. Let's just say you seem to really like your Bo... ;-) I'm a data point of one but the high prices just don't pan out. It's like shock cooling, more myth than reality. |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Two words: - Doors! - Visibility! When Trinadads first arrived in the US, the complaint was the lack of ventilation. All the glass made for a green house in the cabin. I never heard if this adquately was addressed in subsequent models. |
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john smith wrote: Thomas Borchert wrote: Two words: - Doors! - Visibility! When Trinadads first arrived in the US, the complaint was the lack of ventilation. All the glass made for a green house in the cabin. I never heard if this adquately was addressed in subsequent models. I can believe that. I always snickered at the planes with curtains, looked ridiculous. Now I know why. I need them in the Bo. I will probably have my wife cobble something up with fabric and velcro. |
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Cherokee 235 vs Trinidad vs Comanche
("Douglas Paterson" wrote)
About a year ago, I started airplane shopping. For personal and professional reasons, I had to back-burner that after never getting past the tire-kicking stage. Along the way, I got a lot of help from folks on this board, so now I'm returning to the fount as I prepare to begin anew. Thanks--I'm a newbie, I know it, and this board has been invaluable. What is your acquisition cap? $80K? $100K $150K? $200K? The reason I ask is, how about something brand new ...with two other partners? They were asking around $420K. Looks like now $175K (x3) might be closer (loaded + tax) Diamond DA-42 Twin Star. http://www.asijetcenter.com/index.cfm?event=pageview&contentpieceid=1404 AOPA Flight review (Nov 2006) Specs at the bottom The Cool Factor will not fit in a 40' hangar ...44.5' wingspan. Q: Consider, for a moment, if 100LL will be around much longer? A: You won't care. You'll have liquid cooled diesel engines. Q: Parts? A: Warranty! Montblack |
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Beech just announced they are lowering prices on the Bonanza and Baron.
Now a typically outfitted glass panel Bo has a suggested retail of $574K down from $667K. The Baron goes from $1.186 million to $1.046 million. Montblack wrote: ("Douglas Paterson" wrote) About a year ago, I started airplane shopping. For personal and professional reasons, I had to back-burner that after never getting past the tire-kicking stage. Along the way, I got a lot of help from folks on this board, so now I'm returning to the fount as I prepare to begin anew. Thanks--I'm a newbie, I know it, and this board has been invaluable. What is your acquisition cap? $80K? $100K $150K? $200K? The reason I ask is, how about something brand new ...with two other partners? They were asking around $420K. Looks like now $175K (x3) might be closer (loaded + tax) Diamond DA-42 Twin Star. http://www.asijetcenter.com/index.cfm?event=pageview&contentpieceid=1404 AOPA Flight review (Nov 2006) Specs at the bottom The Cool Factor will not fit in a 40' hangar ...44.5' wingspan. Q: Consider, for a moment, if 100LL will be around much longer? A: You won't care. You'll have liquid cooled diesel engines. Q: Parts? A: Warranty! Montblack |
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:02:48 -0700, Newps wrote:
Beech just announced they are lowering prices on the Bonanza and Baron. Now a typically outfitted glass panel Bo has a suggested retail of $574K down from $667K. The Baron goes from $1.186 million to $1.046 million. Soon as the minimum wage boost cuts in, it'll go right back up. Don |
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