ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Happy Dog wrote:

To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories.

It's not for lack of trying. The department of HSA has refused to comment.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

I get the same thing as George with the path right through the ADIZ and FRZ.
Ron, are you putting in Lumberton in New Jersey?

Marco Leon

"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:tmHuf.320$q26.56@trnddc03...
Ron Natalie wrote:

If they'd drawn a straight line between Smoketown and Lumberton, they
would have pretty much missed the entire ADIZ mess (and the class B as
well).

When I plug that in to my flight planner, the course goes nearly right
over DCA.
Straight through the FRZ.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong
to
your slightly older self.

I bet if they found some regulation or penalty that may decrease the
thousands of ADIZ incursions by half, they WILL do it.

Marco Leon

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen
bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from
ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--

Unfortunately that is correct. The FAA can mandate all the black
boxes that can be imagined at huge cost to GA or comercial pilots but
at the end of the day human failure will continue to be a major cause
of aircraft accidents, incidents and fatalities.

Ron Lee

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:26:45 GMT, Jose
wrote:

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you
expect the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before
every flight? Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip
if you would be out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

My FBO's reservation computer has the expiration dates for the pilots
medical and BFR. If you show up for a reservation and are out of
date, they ask you to show them the new one before giving you the key.

"Jose" wrote in message
...
I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have
some system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented.

Agreed. The question is how intrusive that system ought to be. It would
be simple to subvert anything that's not intrusive. OTOH I've run into
places that want a copy of my driver license, pilot certificate, medical
certificate, logbook, and my SSN before renting.

Jose

I would think that a copy of your certificates both pilot & medical along
with the log book ought to be OK. Since there isn't a photo on any of those
I can understand getting the DL. But I can see no reason for the SSN.

In article , Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:

I would think that a copy of your certificates both pilot & medical along
with the log book ought to be OK. Since there isn't a photo on any of those
I can understand getting the DL. But I can see no reason for the SSN.

Well, you see, the *real* reason for the SSN requirement is because the
FBO -- bless their heart -- wants to make sure you would be covered by
disability payments out of the U.S. Social Security system should you
get badly injured in an aviation accident, instead of their insurance
carrier footing the bill.

/VERY tongue-in-cheek

Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

-Dan

Beats me why they'd require the SSN

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For many people
it still does.

Jose
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:26:45 GMT, Jose
wrote in ::

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you
expect the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before
every flight?

Actually, where I rent they check a photocopy of my BFR logbook entry,
medical and license before each flight.

Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip
if you would be out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

They don't check for that at all.

In the subject case, the PIC lacked considerably more than 3 TOs and
Ldgs within 90 days.

Dan Foster wrote:
Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

The way it works is that there is nothing that prevents a
business from asking for it, and nothing that compels you
to give it (and nothing that compels the business to do
business with you either); most people are completely
careless with their privacy -- or more scary about any other
information, including information entrusted to them by, say,
customers -- and give any information to whoever asks. My
take, when asked for SSN by someone who has no legitimate
reason to be asking for it (i.e., anyone except the IRS,
employer, bank and unfortunately the DMV) is to put 'DO NOT USE'
as the answer, the worst that can happen is that you might have
to find another place to conduct your business (which is
not as bad as what could happen by giving away the info
carelessly); alternatively, if you feel like it, you could
also give away any number between 987-65-4320 and
987-65-4329 inclusive which are numbers used by the administration
to run tests and guaranteed never to be assigned to anyone...

oh well, here I go again, a pet peeve of mine :-))

--Sylvain

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:OpHuf.325$q26.78@trnddc03...
.Blueskies. wrote:

The helicopter had a 'well armed' person on board and presented a sign that said contact 121.5. When they dialed up
121.5 all they heard was and ELT beep-beep-beep swamping out the frequency.

Then the chopper had them switch to another frequency. There was nothing on it at all. Outside parties claim the
chopper's radio was inoperative; the HSA refuses to comment on that.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.



Exactly, amazing the incompetence all around this incident...
--
Dan DeVillers
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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