Any traffic please advise

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

What is so offensive about "I am on a 5 mile final, anyone else in the
pattern please let me know"? Does it pose some kind of danger, or cause
confusion? If there are safety reasons, I am willing to listen.

It is redundant, like "with you" and it is a waste of air time that can be
in short supply on CTAF.

When you report your position, I know you are there. I do not need you to
remind me of my position reporting responsibilities.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:32:19 GMT, Bill Zaleski
wrote in
:

You wait till 5 miles to start listening to unicom in a Citation that
is going fast, by your admission? Does it have 2 coms? Does it have a
two man crew? I am listening to Unicom way before ATC lets me go, and
that is in a 100 KT spamcan and single pilot.

Right. Just as one monitors ATIS when approaching a controlled field.
Or when approaching a Class C field, a pilot wants to tell ATC he has
information Gulf before he enters its airspace, so s/he monitors the
ATIS more than 20 miles out.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
oups.com...

I will admit of having used the "traffic in the area please advice".
However, I think I have a reasonable justification. When ATC drops you
off 5 miles from an uncontrolled airport, you are flying a fast
airplane, you don't have a lot of time to figure out the other
airplanes in the traffic pattern.


Why not? What prevented you from monitoring CTAF prior to being "dropped"
by ATC?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
roups.com...

I will admit of having used the "traffic in the area please advice".
However, I think I have a reasonable justification. When ATC drops you
off 5 miles from an uncontrolled airport, you are flying a fast
airplane, you don't have a lot of time to figure out the other
airplanes in the traffic pattern.


Why not? What prevented you from monitoring CTAF prior to being "dropped"
by ATC?

I only have one radio.

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...

I only have one radio.


What fast airplane do you fly?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...

I only have one radio.


What fast airplane do you fly?

If I recall correctly, the previous point was that you should be able
to monitor a Unicom frequency while still in contact with ATC.
Aircraft speed is irrelevant.

Ron Lee

On 25 Aug 2006 19:09:14 -0700, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:

If you
simply announce "citation xxx 5 mile final"


Why wouldn't you fly a pattern like everybody else? This is a genuine
question. I've always disliked jets coming into uncontrolled fields
on a really long final. I have no way to know how long it will take
them to actually get to the airport from 5, 8, 10 miles out. If
everyone flew a pattern I'd think sequencing and cooperative flow
would be easier.

I understand larger planes would fly a wider and higher pattern, but
this is what happens at certain airports anyway and I don't see how
this could be an issue.

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
...

Why wouldn't you fly a pattern like everybody else?


Because it wastes time and is less safe.



This is a genuine
question. I've always disliked jets coming into uncontrolled fields
on a really long final. I have no way to know how long it will take
them to actually get to the airport from 5, 8, 10 miles out. If
everyone flew a pattern I'd think sequencing and cooperative flow
would be easier.


It wouldn't.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .

Why wouldn't you fly a pattern like everybody else?


Because it wastes time and is less safe.

So does the Champ about to turn short final have to go around for the
Citation that is on five mile final?

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...

So does the Champ about to turn short final have to go around for the
Citation that is on five mile final?


No.