Gasohol

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:18:37 GMT, "orange" wrote:

All of New England has 10% gasohol at the auto pump...
However, it isn't blended in until it gets to this regon... so many aero
clubs can still get batches of straight gas

The last part is correct in my experience. Hampton Airfield buys its
mogas from the terminal in Portland ME.

The wonderful thing about ethanol is that it can't presently be pumped
through pipelines, so straight gasoline is theoretically available at
whatever central point it's mixed in.


Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:23:20 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:


And I'm sure it will cost way more to be processed less, kinda like that organic food....

Well, avgas always costs more, because the airport is making a profit
on it, and in the case of mogas is not selling very much of it.

Mogas at Hampton Airfield NH is still $3.40, though I suppose it will
go up in time, especially if lots of people discover they can buy
unadulterated gas there.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:15:49 -0400, "mike regish"
wrote:

Only ethanol-blended gasoline has been available at New England
service stations over the past several years.

Not correct. New Hampshire sold auto fuel (in the southern counties
only) with MBTE until fairly recently. The swtich to alky was no more
than six months ago.

In the northern counties (Carroll being the one closest to me, a drive
of about thirty miles) MBTE wasn't required, and I knew more than one
car owner who made the trip weekly because he didn't like the notion
of MBTE (or is it MTBE, crikey, I don't know). I'm uncertain whether
the ethanol mandate applies there or not; I don't think it does, since
ethanol was introduced only as a substitute for MBTE.


Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:58:28 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote:

Profit margins vary a lot by company and over time, but a mid-term (not
long term) average of ~8% seems a useful number.[2] Though Exxon managed
to get nearly 11% last year.[3]

Exxon had a good year in part because it owns a lot of refineries. In
the past, refineries have been a very bad business (the money was all
in extracting oil from the ground) but lately there's been a huge
shortgage of capacity (hurricane Katrina, Europe no longer exporting
much gasoline) so refineries are stretched to the limit.

When something is stretched, the price goes up, which is why Exxon did
better last year than say Royal Dutch Shell or Beyond Petroleum.

(For years, we have been importing gasoline from Europe. Isn't that a
hoot? They've historically tended to need more diesel than the
refineries could easily produce without exporting the lighter stuff,
and the excess came to us so the yuppies didn't have to have a bad ole
refinery in their backyard.)

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

You know I've been wondering: Does the Alka Seltzer trick really check to
see if alcohol is present? I'm no chemist, but I wonder if the Alka Seltzer
is just reacting with the water that most alcohols will attract from the
moisture in the air.

How about it? Any chemists in the group? If the mogas were blended with
alcohol with low water content, would the Alka Seltzer fizz at all? Maybe
the best test is still the "line on the beaker" test.

Well, we've been down this road before, back when the Alky test first
came on the scene. Some chemist here ended up concluding that the
test was valid, but I'm always open to hearing other thoughts on the
matter.

If the danged test DIDN'T work, that could ruin my whole day...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

You talking about "rubbing alcohol"? We tested it with that, and it
worked for us.

Fizzing, that is...

nope -- "Denatured Alcohol" purchased in a gallon can.

What's the difference? Is one ethanol, and one methanol?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:22:28 -0700, Jay Honeck
wrote:

You talking about "rubbing alcohol"? We tested it with that, and it
worked for us.

Fizzing, that is...

nope -- "Denatured Alcohol" purchased in a gallon can.

What's the difference? Is one ethanol, and one methanol?
Denatured is ethanol poluted with anything to make it undrinkable.
Generally Methyl, but sometimes even Gasoline is used to "denature"
it. Rubbing alky is generally Isopropyl

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:01:22 -0700, "J. Severyn"
wrote:


"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news snip

I tried the Alka Seltzer trick on some denatured alcohol -- no result.
It did not fizz!

You know I've been wondering: Does the Alka Seltzer trick really check to
see if alcohol is present? I'm no chemist, but I wonder if the Alka Seltzer
is just reacting with the water that most alcohols will attract from the
moisture in the air.

How about it? Any chemists in the group? If the mogas were blended with
alcohol with low water content, would the Alka Seltzer fizz at all? Maybe
the best test is still the "line on the beaker" test.

Regards,
John Severyn
KLVK (all mogas has alky in my area, making my STC no good at all)

Seltzer reacts with water.

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"Cubdriver" wrote

I bought four gallons two months ago and haven't used it all yet. It's
astonishing how far gasoline goes in small engines. (Well, okay, I
don't mow my lawn any more. The clean mogas goes into the chain saw,
generator, and snow blower

I'll bet it really lasts a loooong time in your snow blower, this time of
year! ggg
--
Jim in NC

"Cubdriver" wrote

Mogas at Hampton Airfield NH is still $3.40, though I suppose it will
go up in time, especially if lots of people discover they can buy
unadulterated gas there.

It depends on management's philosophy.

If they were to keep their profit margin low, and sell a lot of it, they
might find it is better to keep it cheap to sell a large quantity of it. Of
course, it all hinges on being able to keep the supply coming fast enough.
--
Jim in NC