Can the airport ban bicycles?

Tee hangars in the sticks, halfway between Hartford and Providence are
in the $350-400 / mo range. And there's a waiting list, so I can't have
one.

Ouch. I know we're very lucky to have the hangars that we do (or,
perhaps you guys who are paying triple are just getting the shaft?)
here in Iowa City, and no one is complaining (too much) about the rate
increase. (Although the percentage increase -- 13% -- was somewhat
breath-taking)

The real outcry has been over this new ban on bicycles (and grills,
and motorcycles, and...) -- but it appears we have won the argument,
for now. Both the airport manager and the airport commissioner who
started all this have stated -- in writing, to all 240 members of
Friends of Iowa City Airport -- that bicycles are NOT banned at the
airport, despite their letter of announcement.

Democracy in action!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Well I read that one and the next two. In the one you link to they
say they are going to get FAA guidance on the issue. I didn't see
anything in the two following about the issue.

You won't find anything of use in the official meeting minutes. They
are often not released until 60 days after the meetings, and are
thoroughly cleansed of any nuance or detail.

I started "Friends of Iowa City Airport" -- an airport advocacy group
-- several years ago, because the commission at the time had
completely lost touch with their responsibilities. As part of FOICA
each month a volunteer attends the commission meeting and spends
several hours furiously scribbling the UNofficial meeting minutes,
which are then published to the group within hours or days via email.

The group is now over 240 airport supporters, so the quick
dissemination of real-time information (including such subtleties as
tone of voice and wise cracks) has really kept our commission on its
toes.

If you want to join (and have access to the unofficial meeting minute
archives) drop me an email off-group...

Here's an idea. Ask each of the 240 members of FOICA to donate $100.00. Take
the $24K to a good lawyer and tell him to go be the Bulldog that all good
lawyers are. You will probably never even have to file suit the thought of
it might rein in the problem members.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

The real outcry has been over this new ban on bicycles (and grills,
and motorcycles, and...) -- but it appears we have won the argument,
for now. Both the airport manager and the airport commissioner who
started all this have stated -- in writing, to all 240 members of
Friends of Iowa City Airport -- that bicycles are NOT banned at the
airport, despite their letter of announcement.

Put a dryer exhaust hose on/near the grill and call it an engine pre-heater.

I'm glad you've won this one.

I asked if you had direct experience with Iowa law. You chose to fancydance
around the answer. I think we all know what that implies.

Yes, civil actions can be pursued for putting your pants on left leg first
but winning them is another matter. I've spent almost twenty years in
elected public office and can tell you from experience what is and is not
acceptable behavior. Discussing matters one on one in either a public or
private arena is acceptable.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford




Most definitely not hogwash. Civil actions can be pursued for any imagined
reason. In this particular case any appearance of preventing due process
is
going to be acceptable to a judge. Even in Kalifornia. It's a civil
matter,
not a criminal matter such as ignoring open meeting laws.

Jay Honeck wrote:
Our rents are already much higher than neighboring airports, and GA
activity overall is still way down...

How much do they charge for hangar rental in Iowa City?


They just raised ours to $137/month.

I know that probably sounds absurdly low to you guys in big cities,
but it's 25% higher than an equivalent hangar in nearby Cedar Rapids
(CID), a Class C, top-notch airport.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


We pay $205 / mo at Sherman for a standard (very old) T-hangar,
electricity, sliding doors. 9 have concrete floors and the other 9 have
asphalt and / or concrete combination. We are 60 miles north of Dallas.
We have had to fight to keep the at that. The mayor believes the entire
airport support (revenue) should come from the tenants and fuel flow. We
do keep our fuel the lowest of the area and we have the traffic because
of it. We are still trying to get more hangars built, but that will be
another thread.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:32:58 -0500, "Travis Marlatte"
wrote:

But it sounds like it is the municipality protecting the federal funding,

They aren't. They may think so though.

right? If the funding was provided with stipulations that the funds be used
for only aviation related activities, then that is being passed on to the
leasors as a restriction.

The feds only care about the airport, not the hangars...as long as
what you have in there is legal.


The problem is with the stipulations of the funding. As one of the "We the
people" I don't mind subsidizing airports and hangars as long as they are
used for aviation related purposes. I also don't mind someone storing their
boat or other non-aviation related stuff in the hangar - as long as it is
also used as a hangar.

But, if someone wants to use the hangar that was built with aviation
subsidies that I provided as merely a storage shed, I gotta a problem with

You can get subsidies for building hangars?
All the hangars here were built with either city or private money. No
fed funds were available.

dat. There are lots of public storage facilities that they can use (and
probably pay more per square foot).

The feds would probably have a problem with the airport being used as
and renting public storage facilities. Although, any money brought in
from ... say renting open land out for parking for near by events is
permissible as long as the money goes to the airport fund. It can not
go into the general fund.

On Aug 28, 12:43 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
Our new hangar lease includes a specific ban on bicycles, of all
things. (And cars, and anything else in the hangars not directly
related to aviation.)

Is this legal?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Ya know cyclists, and people who use bikes for regular utilitarian
purposes are a group that are stereotyped as much as pilots. Only
they thing cyclists are poor, and pilots are rich.

Hit up the League of American Cyclists http://www.bikeleague.org/ or
www.bikeforums.net For some advocacy ideas. FYI some airports
allow biking right to the airport (like Denver) and even offer
parking.

james http://www.futuregringo.com

james wrote:

Ya know cyclists, and people who use bikes for regular utilitarian
purposes are a group that are stereotyped as much as pilots. Only
they thing cyclists are poor, and pilots are rich.

You got that right. I love to use my bikes for commuting and errands,
even though I own nice, relatively new vehicles.

The funniest stereotype is cycling a beer / wine run and being asked
when I get my license back!

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
B A R R Y wrote:

They just raised ours to $137/month.

I know that probably sounds absurdly low to you guys in big cities,

At KBED, Ma$$port charges $119/month for a tie-down with zero services.
My old t-hangar is now $606/month with rumors of more price increases
on the way

Believe it or not, there's a waiting list for these hangars even though
Ma$$port
charges a non-refundable fee for the "privelege" of being on the list.
There
are some D U M B owners around here.

I pay $3180/year ($265 a month) here in the massive metropolis of Cheyenne
(pop: 55,300, in the densely populated Wyoming, pop: 515,000). That includes
electricity, and the roof is insulated, but not the sidewalls.

When I was in Montrose (pop: 15,400) I paid $3800/year, $316/month.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Tee hangars in the sticks, halfway between Hartford and Providence are
in the $350-400 / mo range. And there's a waiting list, so I can't have
one.

Ouch. I know we're very lucky to have the hangars that we do (or,
perhaps you guys who are paying triple are just getting the shaft?)
here in Iowa City, and no one is complaining (too much) about the rate
increase. (Although the percentage increase -- 13% -- was somewhat
breath-taking)

The real outcry has been over this new ban on bicycles (and grills,
and motorcycles, and...) -- but it appears we have won the argument,
for now. Both the airport manager and the airport commissioner who
started all this have stated -- in writing, to all 240 members of
Friends of Iowa City Airport -- that bicycles are NOT banned at the
airport, despite their letter of announcement.

Democracy in action!

Did anyone propose that they kept a bike in the hangar to get around the
airport?

When they said "no cars", did that include parking your car in the hangar
while you were away?