Survivability in Combat

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message link.net...
"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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It's considered extremely bad manners to ask for, request, or demand
personal background and/or qualifications of any individual on Usenet.

Sorry, I'd never heard of this rule!

It's not a rule. It's accepted protocol.


Must be an outgrowth of The New Yorker cartoon: "On the internet,
nobody knows you're a dog."

I was just curious, Dudley. Honest to God! I wanted to know about the
Fighter Pilot Fellowship.

Is Ed Rasimus a member?

Thank you Dan. I appreciate the honest, and I believe straight forward and
friendly request for information. If I misread your intent before I
apologize. I will say however that it might be better in the future if you
ask for this type of information privately instead of in the public forum
and possibly consider not asking for it in the middle of a thread discussing
a totally different issue.
Now if I can just get past your "Dudley, there's something fishy about you"
remark in connection with your initial request , I might begin to believe
you have a genuine interest in the Fellowship.

I will mention my signature tag line if I may, since it seems to be
bothering several people on the group including yourself, as you have
expressed this sentiment in your prior post. I believe you used the exact
phrasing
"We're supposed to sit here awestruck at the Fighter Pilot Fellowship".
Since I really don't want people to be "awestruck" by my use of the term
"fighter pilot", and since I am a civilian, I will allow myself a friendly
response to this since it does show some ambiguity and could possibly be
confusing to those not familiar with me and my "history".
The tag is in no way meant to impress or imply anything other than it's
single purpose; that's why I don't put "President 1971- 1985 IFPF" on the
line any longer. The tag is there because from time to time people who
actually DO remember the Fellowship will happen on a post of mine and
inquire about the health or whereabouts of an ex member of the association.
I receive letters from time to time that address this purpose.
As for the Fellowship itself; It was formed in 1971. It lasted until 1985
when we disbanded for the usual reasons organizations like ours disband. It
took a great deal of time and effort to keep it going, and none of us really
had enough of either to spend on it.
Our charter membership in 71 consisted of people from both the military and
civilian high performance aircraft communities. Many of us were from the
demonstration community. Many of the major military aerobatic teams in the
free world signed on.
The Thunderbirds were members, as were the Blues, The Red Arrows, and The
Snowbirds. Many professional organizations were members. The Naval Test
Pilot School is representative of our service professional charter
membership.
Individual members were either military, or if civilian pilots like myself,
mostly from the research, science, engineering, and test communities. ALL
of us shared the one common requirement of having flown high performance
airplanes professionally. Having flown combat in a fighter was NOT a
requirement. Naturally, many of our members had flown fighters, (hence our
name :-) but we had members from the "heavier" aircraft communities as well.
Membership was by invitation only, and that invitation had to come from the
entire group.
Our letterhead carried the following statement;
"It is the purpose of the International Fighter Pilots Fellowship to
identify with pride the pilots who fly the world's greatest high performance
aircraft; and through the establishment of a world-wide non political
fraternity of these pilots, to help promote and achieve better understanding
as the direct result of improved professional and personal communication"

I hope this information has been helpful in clearing up any misconceptions.

As for Ed Rasimus. I'm fairly certain that had we known Ed at the time, we
would have offered him an invitation. I'd like to think he would have
accepted. We were a good group of people. Many of us remaining still are.

All the best,
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt


Sorry, as far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't be in any "Fighter
Pilots Fellowship" unless you are or were indeed, a fighter pilot.

Just my 2 cents,

A fighter pilot.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message link.net...
"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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How and why I have flown military airplanes is none of your business.

Sheez. We're supposed to sit here awestruck at the Fighter Pilot
Fellowship, but we can't inquire as to how and why you flew military
airplanes?

Dudley, there is something fishy about you.

Strange! I don't remember even coming close to requiring you or anyone else
on Usenet to be "awestruck" by either myself, my background, or the
Fellowship. Perhaps you will be kind enough to provide an example of
this........other than the simple fact that I use a tag line sig for the
Fellowship.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

Like I said before, dud, you shouldn't be in any fellowship for
"fighter pilots" unless that's what you are/were.

Bob McKellar wrote:
Sure. I wasn't a military pilot either. In fact, I'm not much of a
civilian pilot either.


Damn! You mean there's TWO of us on this group?

Bob McKellar, guilty of both of Dan's sins


I've got all you weinies beat: not only was I not a military pilot, but I've
crashed twice. FWIW, I am an AFB.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

Bob McKellar wrote:
Sure. I wasn't a military pilot either. In fact, I'm not much of a
civilian pilot either.


Damn! You mean there's TWO of us on this group?

Bob McKellar, guilty of both of Dan's sins

I've got all you weinies beat: not only was I not a military pilot, but I've
crashed twice. FWIW, I am an AFB.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

But I've never heard of Mortimer Schnerd Air Force Base!

BRAC victim?

Bob McKellar

monkey wrote:
Like I said before, dud, you shouldn't be in any fellowship for
"fighter pilots" unless that's what you are/were.


Therein lies the conundrum: were you a fighter pilot if you flew P-51s on the
airshow circuit? The Mustang was most definitely a fighter. Were you only a
fighter pilot if you flew fighters for a military service? Or only if you've
fired your guns in anger?

This seems to be a grey area to me.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

monkey wrote:
Like I said before, dud, you shouldn't be in any fellowship for
"fighter pilots" unless that's what you are/were.


Therein lies the conundrum: were you a fighter pilot if you flew P-51s on the
airshow circuit? The Mustang was most definitely a fighter. Were you only a
fighter pilot if you flew fighters for a military service? Or only if you've
fired your guns in anger?

This seems to be a grey area to me.

I agree, it is...and while I can't stand the gasbag I hate to see
an injustice done (if it is indeed being done). About the only
authorities qualified to speak are former or current military
fighter pilots. (IMO). I wonder what Ed thinks? Perhaps dude
could ask him?

-Gord.

"I'm trying to get as old as I can,
and it must be working 'cause I'm
the oldest now that I've ever been"

Subject: Fighter Pilot Fellowship (was: something else entirely)
From: "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
Date: 12/8/03 6:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: m

monkey wrote:
Like I said before, dud, you shouldn't be in any fellowship for
"fighter pilots" unless that's what you are/were.


Therein lies the conundrum: were you a fighter pilot if you flew P-51s on
the
airshow circuit? The Mustang was most definitely a fighter. Were you only a
fighter pilot if you flew fighters for a military service? Or only if you've
fired your guns in anger?

This seems to be a grey area to me.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com




Not gray at all. You can fly fighters but never have been in combat. You are
still a fighter pilot because you piloted a fighter. But COMBAT pilot is
another matter entirely. Combat is a world apart.

Regards,


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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monkey wrote:
Like I said before, dud, you shouldn't be in any fellowship for
"fighter pilots" unless that's what you are/were.


Therein lies the conundrum: were you a fighter pilot if you flew P-51s on
the
airshow circuit? The Mustang was most definitely a fighter. Were you
only a
fighter pilot if you flew fighters for a military service? Or only if
you've
fired your guns in anger?

This seems to be a grey area to me.

It might just be a little "grayer" than you imagine!! :-)))

Please allow me to give some of you "interested people" who are commenting
on my life........a little hint on a few "things" if I might inject some
fact into all this fantasy please...... :-)
I'm afraid my association with the fighter community has little to do with
the flying of warbirds per se'. It is more directly involved with over
fifty years of association with the fighter community dealing with such
issues as the enhancement of flight safety and additional issues directly of
interest to the community.
Although my association with the fighter community is honorary, I must admit
that I has "honored" to be asked by that community to serve as the President
of it's Fellowship; then first as the Maryland State Director ; then as the
Regional Director of the Combat Pilots Association of the United States. I
was equally "honored" to be asked to narrate the flight demonstrations of
both the prototype YF17 Cobra AND the F14 Tomcat by both the Navy and
Northrop's demonstration test team. I was "honored" to do research test
flying in both the F14 and the T38. I was also "honored" to be asked to fly
with the Canadian Snowbirds. I have also been "honored" to work within the
fighter community on many issues pertaining to the testing of high
performance aircraft. I am "honored" to have my name and bio appear in the
official book on the history of the P51Mustang along side those who flew her
in harm's way. I have been "honored" by the Naval Test Pilot School being
asked to attend their reunions, but I believe I was "honored" most when the
Thunderbirds invited my wife and I down to Andrews AFB to celebrate my
"retirement" as a pilot with them. This "official occasion" was celebrated
in the preflight brief with the team all signing the last page of a logbook
dedicated to a lifetime's work in the air.
I remain to this day, involved with work dedicated to the saving of lives
within the fighter community as a consultant.
I'm deeply sorry that some of you fine folks on Usenet don't think I should
identify myself with the fighter community since I'm not technically a
fighter pilot, but if you folks REALLY don't object too much, I think I'll
just accept my association with the community as it is, and continue to
enjoy the mutual respect I have shared with the fighter community all
through my aviation career.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

I've got all you weinies beat: not only was I not a military pilot, but I've
crashed twice. FWIW, I am an AFB.

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Bob
McKellar blurted out:

But I've never heard of Mortimer Schnerd Air Force Base!

BRAC victim?

Too funny

In article ,
"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:

Yeff wrote:

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:57:13 -0500, George Z. Bush wrote:

My conclusion, therefore, is that he didn't have any and, by so pointedly
trying to avoid mention of the subject, only succeeded in having us
become aware of what he'd rather we not know about him.

You mean I was imagining all those times he said he *wasn't* military?

While I've seen one *hell* of a lot that he 'has' said about
himself I don't think I've ever heard him say that he wasn't
military Jeff

Don't know about Jeff, but I thought that Dudley had made it quite clear
many times that he'd always flown as a civilian.

...you got even one cite?...he's still one of the
most obnoxious blowhard windbags that I've ever seen, bar none.

That's true enough...you clearly think so.