Discovery Flight today...unexpected results

Mxsmanic wrote:
DGS writes:

Hard to tell but judging from his age and lack of compassion over the
situation it's very possible. I don't really know of a tactful way to
ask him this.

Ask him how long he has been an instructor. If the answer is twenty years,
he's probably not just instructing as a stepping stone to a professional
pilot's job. If the answer is six months, then he probably isn't a career
instructor.

I always find it odd that the FAA has set things up so that practically all
instructors are totally amateur teachers who care only about accumulating
hours. Seems like a dangerous way to teach new students.

In the real world as opposed to the simulated one Mxsmanic "flys" in,
most FBO's have a mix of old timers and youngsters building time for
a better job.

In my experiance paying real money to real people for real instruction
in real airplanes, I don't see any overall difference in quality in
either group.

Both groups can have rotten apples and real jewels.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:42:02 GMT, B A R R Y wrote:

The spam cans I fly mention seat belts on at least three different
checklists, engine start / pre taxi, takeoff, and approach. G

I hate pilots like this Discovery Flight instructor.

Before I was a pilot, I was invited by a friend to sit in the back seat of
a Citabria for an afternoon of punching holes in the sky.

This pilot did not do a walk around or a paper checklist, he just got in
and cranked it up. We taxied to the fuel pump and he started topping off
the tank. I asked him if he wanted me to connect the grounding wire and he
said, "It's not important." An instructor was also at the pump and he
said, "Oh, yes it is..." and he proceed to connect the ground himself. In
the sky, his "patterns" were big lazy ovals.

Who is this pilot friend of mine? He's a senior captain for a major
airline flying 737s.


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Dallas

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:53:07 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Dallas. You are so wrong on this that it is scary.

Ok... I'll defer to your greater experience.

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Dallas

Dallas wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:53:07 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Dallas. You are so wrong on this that it is scary.

Ok... I'll defer to your greater experience.


Damn It!!! that is not how USENET is supposed to work.

Also...wind was at 18 from 309, but we WERE taking off from runway 31.
Pretty good gust of wind I'd say around 50-100 AGL after takeoff from
left to right that had me pretty scared.

Okay, gusts to FORTY, did you say?

My opinion just changed 180 degrees. You weren't needlessly scared -- you
were properly scared. I've flown in winds like you describe many times, and
it is extremely uncomfortable.

Any CFI that takes a newbie up for a "Discovery Flight" in conditions like
you describe is what we call a "time-builder" -- a whore that is out to pad
his logbook, with no regard for you or your future.

Find another CFI -- pronto -- and go up again on a calm(er) day. You'll be
absolutely astounded at the difference.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:34:32 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Damn It!!! that is not how USENET is supposed to work.

You gotta pick your battles.

:- )


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Dallas

Dallas writes:

Who is this pilot friend of mine? He's a senior captain for a major
airline flying 737s.

Which airline?

On Feb 12, 3:22 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dallas writes:
Who is this pilot friend of mine? He's a senior captain for a major
airline flying 737s.

Which airline?

One with real aeroplanes

"Dallas" == Dallas writes:

Dallas On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:04:05 -0600, DGS wrote:
At this point I'm obviously looking for a new instructor. I'm
torn on whether I want to go through the bother of reporting
this to the FBO.

Dallas I'd say no.. the chief pilot is likely aware of this
Dallas instructor's style and if it's an ongoing issue, chances
Dallas are he'll be looking for a new job soon enough.

I agree...don't report it. It was a single incident, not terribly
egregious, and your first flight. Just move on.

BTW, is there a flying club at a local airport? You might have much a
better experience in a club than an FBO. Probably cheaper, more
comaraderie.
--
"He is not only dull himself; he is the cause of dullness in others."
-Samuel Johnson

Bob Fry wrote:
"Dallas" == Dallas writes:

Dallas On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:04:05 -0600, DGS wrote:
At this point I'm obviously looking for a new instructor. I'm
torn on whether I want to go through the bother of reporting
this to the FBO.

Dallas I'd say no.. the chief pilot is likely aware of this
Dallas instructor's style and if it's an ongoing issue, chances
Dallas are he'll be looking for a new job soon enough.

I agree...don't report it. It was a single incident, not terribly
egregious, and your first flight. Just move on.


Do own or run a business Bob. I have and do and I sure as hell want to
know when my customers get less service than they expect. When I find
this out I either do what I can to change those expectations or make
changes to get the service up to those expectations.

Any business that doesn't do that won't be in business long.