America's Army Sucks, Fact

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

And losing the other half. Overunning Belgium was no
great trick and Norway was no super power. They managed
to beat France to be sure but the first time the vaunted Luftwaffe
met a technically equal but smaller force it was stopped dead.

By late 1940 Britain alone was outproducing Germany in terms
of most major military systems despite a much smaller population
and economy, Then the Fuhrer attacked Russia - STOOPID


Then after defeat, your VICTORIOUS and SUPERIOR
armies raped the entire German nation for all of its technology
ensuring postwar victories without any real effort on your part to
develop them yourself... in areas so unimportant as say... aviation
and space technology... just to name two!


The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster than the Me-262
and far more reliable. The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

Keith

In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article ,
(robert arndt) wrote:
Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

...after building up its military and industrial base for a number of
years, then attacking everyone around them in a cowardly move (which
made up all of the "wins"). Then, when they could have just assimilated
the rest of western Europe, they attacked Russia (dumb) and lost the
war, despite having a hellaciously good defensive position in the
Channel.

Mr Irby,

We may differ on some issues, but I find us in complete agreement here.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

In message , robert
arndt writes
"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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The repetitive "If"...the continuing mantra of those who cannot accept the
fact that Germany screwed the pooch in WWII and lost.

Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

On the other hand, it took on Britain (smaller, less populated, less
resourced) than Germany - and couldn't even knock her out of the war. Of
course the Nazis had all sorts of war-winning devices to beat Britain,
but for some reason chose not to use them.

Then after defeat, your VICTORIOUS and SUPERIOR
armies raped the entire German nation for all of its technology
ensuring postwar victories without any real effort on your part to
develop them yourself... in areas so unimportant as say... aviation
and space technology... just to name two!

Some of the German technology was useful. Some was useless. And some
developments were thoroughly independent of German ideas: for instance,
the Sidewinder missile was a US project that predated the fall of
Germany and the assimilation of technology.

Read a f**king history book Brooks. It was Rommel who inspected the
Atlantic Wall and criticized its lack of any strategic depth. He made
a short but futile attempt to rectify parts of the wall realizing that
the armored reserves would be needed in the first 48 hrs to throw the
invaders back from Normandy. Hitler refused to allow Rommel to move
them closer to the coast.

Well, the superior Nazi intelligence services had calculated that
Normandy was just a diversion and the main landing would be led into the
Pas de Calais by Patton.

Whoops.

And criticizing a man of such dignity that he chose to take poison to
save his family and not dishonor his nation (Germany, not Hitler nor
the Nazi Party) is
repugnant even for a ******* like you. Rommel wanted the war to end
and Hitler dead as Hitler was to him a greater threat to Germany than
the Allies.

Fighting the *******'s war for five years is a really strange way of
showing it. Or did he just change sides when Hitler started losing?

WTF more do you want from the guy? He is a true hero for
mankind, a man of honor respected by friend and foe alike.
You Brooks, OTOH, are a jackass.

Mr Kevin Brooks is often irascible and sometimes downright rude, but he
at least believes in what he says.

Rommel was a good commander, but if he despised his regime as much as
you say... why was he trying to hard to spread it?

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Which pale beside his achievements. Montogomery like Patton
was a prima-donna, a pain in the arse and an excellent
field commander. Like all generals he made mistakes but
got things more right than wrong.

Keith

And Rommel was better than both of them combined. If only he had the
resources in men and material that the US/Britain possessed... or at
least the Heer's PROMISED material from Berlin and not had to babysit
the Italians!
One might also wonder what would have happened if Hitler had listened
to Guderian as well???

The repetitive "If"...the continuing mantra of those who cannot accept
the
fact that Germany screwed the pooch in WWII and lost.

Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

You have trotted this nonsense out before, and were soundly trounced when
the populations of the US and Germany in 1940 were noted; ISTR Keith was
just the first to take you to task that time. Trying again?

Then after defeat, your VICTORIOUS and SUPERIOR
armies raped the entire German nation for all of its technology
ensuring postwar victories without any real effort on your part to
develop them yourself... in areas so unimportant as say... aviation
and space technology... just to name two!

Blah-blah-blah. More fanciful nonsense from the resident Nazi Lover.

As much as I respect
Rommel, wasn't he the guy who commanded the losing side at Normandy,
having
taken a quick getaway trip back to see his family when the invasion
began
because he thought there was no *way* the allies would attack in that
kind
of weather...?

Read a f**king history book Brooks. It was Rommel who inspected the
Atlantic Wall and criticized its lack of any strategic depth. He made
a short but futile attempt to rectify parts of the wall realizing that
the armored reserves would be needed in the first 48 hrs to throw the
invaders back from Normandy. Hitler refused to allow Rommel to move
them closer to the coast.
And criticizing a man of such dignity that he chose to take poison to
save his family and not dishonor his nation (Germany, not Hitler nor
the Nazi Party) is
repugnant even for a ******* like you. Rommel wanted the war to end
and Hitler dead as Hitler was to him a greater threat to Germany than
the Allies. WTF more do you want from the guy? He is a true hero for
mankind, a man of honor respected by friend and foe alike.
You Brooks, OTOH, are a jackass.

Uhmmm...you did not answer the questions--was it not Rommel who lost at
Normandy, and didn't he choose to absent himself from the A/O right before
the attack commenced?

Thanks for the other kind words...I know it is hard for you to accept, but
yes, The Reich was soundly defeated during the last World War, and it truly
was full of bumbling idiots who helped assure that outcome.

Brooks


Rob

p.s. Can't wait for the two pinheads to chime in too- Keith Willshaw
and Al Minyard.

Brooks


Rob

"Peter Twydell" wrote in message
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In article , robert
arndt writes

snip

Rob

p.s. Can't wait for the two pinheads to chime in too- Keith Willshaw
and Al Minyard.


Is it any wonder that many people regard the Germans as arrogant?

Actually, Arndt is (sadly) a USian--I doubt modern Germans would accept the
likes of him over there, being apparently quite a bit smarter in their usual
interpretation of WWII events and developments than he exhibits.

Brooks


Brooks


Rob

--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster

US had no better aircraft till arrival of F86,even "original" F86 was not
better than Me262,originally F86 supposed to have straight wings

The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000
It was not a design problem,it was a material (resource) problem.
Because they could not get neccesary raw materials .If you cannot import
them,you cannot use them,is it not obvious?

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

You are trying to compare backward US technology with German tecnology.
Four engine propeller driven bombers never receive much attention in 3rd
Reich,in fact only notable advocate of them was Molders,after his death four
engine bomber development was put totally on back burner.
Germans,unlike US,were not interested dropping bombs from bombers,both America
Bomber and America rocket were not driven by propellers.

The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945

Yeah right,even von Karman considered that a fantasy till he saw working
examples made in Germany.

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

And Jules Verne,typical example of German "understatement"

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Yeah right.

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.



If they had only a couple of month more time Ike's dire prediction would be a
reality,and we now probably be discussing the morality of nuking New York and
London (instead of Hiroshima and Nagazaki) using ,not four piston engined
bombers but Ballistic missiles

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

I wonder why US keeps this "myth" under lock for 75 years.
1300 Billion dollars might be the reason.

There are advanced nations and advanced countries.
You must pay advanced nations a kind of "protection money" (like Marshall
Plan) to prevent the repetition of the events between between WWI and WWII

In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

Mr Irby,

We may differ on some issues, but I find us in complete agreement here.

....and you *know* someone's out on a limb when that happens...

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

You have trotted this nonsense out before, and were soundly trounced when
the populations of the US and Germany in 1940 were noted; ISTR Keith was
just the first to take you to task that time. Trying again?

Just curious,but did you add up the populations of
US,UK,USSR,India,Canada,Australia,NZ,
Poland,France and lots of other countries in 3 continents?

The Reich was soundly defeated during the last World War, and it truly
was full of bumbling idiots who helped assure that outcome.

So?
King Leonidas was soundly defeated at Thermoplyae,Confederates during Civil War
and Germans during WWII.
All of them were soundly defeated because of very same reason.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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So?
King Leonidas was soundly defeated at Thermoplyae,Confederates during
Civil War
and Germans during WWII.
All of them were soundly defeated because of very same reason.



Sure -**** poor judgement.

Leonidas knew about the goat path that would allow bad guys
to get behind him but didnt send reliable sentries to watch it.
DOH !

The Confederates were disorganised and inept, hell
they couldnt agree on ANYTHING, so every army
they fielded was a quartermasters nightmare with a
dozen different types of personal weapon and no
commonality in uniforms. This latter led to Confederates
being all too often shot at by fellow rebs from anuther state.

The Germans in WW2 were so convined of their natural
superiority over the untermencshen that were their enemies
that they didnt merely content themselves with fighting on 2
fronts like their Fathers in WW1 but opened hostilities
in the Mediterranean and Balkans as well as Western Europe
and Russia

Keith

"Denyav" wrote in message
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The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster

US had no better aircraft till arrival of F86,even "original" F86 was not
better than Me262,originally F86 supposed to have straight wings


Reality Check

Me-262
Limiting Mach - 0.82
Max Speed at sea level - 540 mph
Range - 600 miles


P-80
Limiting Mach - 0.86
Max Speed at Sea level - 558 mph
Range 800 miles (1400 with external fuel)

The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000
It was not a design problem,it was a material (resource) problem.
Because they could not get neccesary raw materials .If you cannot import
them,you cannot use them,is it not obvious?

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

You are trying to compare backward US technology with German tecnology.
Four engine propeller driven bombers never receive much attention in 3rd
Reich,in fact only notable advocate of them was Molders,after his death
four
engine bomber development was put totally on back burner.

The He-177 musta sneaked through then, of course coupling
4 engines to 2 props didnt work too well.

Germans,unlike US,were not interested dropping bombs from bombers,both
America
Bomber and America rocket were not driven by propellers.


So if the Germans werent interested in dropping bombs from
aircraft why did they build all those Do-17's, He-111's
and JU-88's ?

Where did those planes with Swastikas come from during
the Blitz ?


The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945

Yeah right,even von Karman considered that a fantasy till he saw working
examples made in Germany.

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

And Jules Verne,typical example of German "understatement"


No accurate

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Yeah right.


Absolutely correct in fact

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.



If they had only a couple of month more time Ike's dire prediction would
be a
reality,and we now probably be discussing the morality of nuking New York
and
London (instead of Hiroshima and Nagazaki) using ,not four piston engined
bombers but Ballistic missiles


Sure we would , and Bugs Bunny would be the next Fuhrer

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

I wonder why US keeps this "myth" under lock for 75 years.
1300 Billion dollars might be the reason.


Thats your fantasy, I dont share it.

There are advanced nations and advanced countries.
You must pay advanced nations a kind of "protection money" (like Marshall
Plan) to prevent the repetition of the events between between WWI and WWII


Well since Britain received more under Marshall Aid than
Germany that must make us more advanced.

Keith