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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news91Wc.21556$9d6.17529@attbi_s54... After living in Iowa for the last 7 years, it seemed that we were the only ones left who had NOT been to the "Great Iowa State Fair." This year is the 150th anniversary of this grand old tradition, so last weekend we decided to check it out. ......Much tripe deleted..... Harry Truman once famously said that the "position of vice-president ain't worth a bucket of warm spit." Worse, Edwards isn't even THERE yet -- he's just a wannabee! He is nothing, absolutely NOTHING -- yet we are treating him like royalty, and my family was treated like criminals when we were anywhere near him. If this is what we have to look forward to under a Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come. Jay, when you become a viable candidate for the position of the 2nd most powerful man on this planet your opinion on this subject might mean something. Until then, you should be embarrassed you wrote this immature dribble. Your self-centered and prejudiced attitude places you square in the category of CJ Campbell, just another grumpy old man. Earl G |
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Jay,
If this is what we have to look forward to under a Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come. Jay, Jay, you're hopeless! As you said yourself at the beginning of your post, had any of the Bush people been visiting, there'd have been a TFR and you'd have stayed home. The Kerry people are voluntarily waiving their option of having TFRs! -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Jeremy,
He "was", until the tragic inconvenience of you having to sit in an FBO for an hour? What narcisistic bull****. Thanks. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Jim Weir wrote:
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass going to some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope that your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a rifle to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about. Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in the national interest" and I got a deferment. No balls at all, Weir. No doubt your abilities would have been of some use to the nation in Viet Nam, too. You let "[t]he engineer on the next desk" essentially take your place and he came back the worse for it. Maybe your anger is just cover for a guilty conscience. Jack |
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I usually lean their way -- but this year has been up for grabs.
The more I hear about Kerry, however, the less I like. Rather the situation that I'm in as well. I am still 100% undecided, but my hopes of voting "for" either candidate are quickly evaporating, and the "lesser of two evils" decision is becoming a reality for me. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/20/2004 |
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In article , "Peter Duniho"
wrote: I don't want this to become a "bash Kerry" or "trash Bush" thread. What a bizarre thing to write. You *started* the thread as a "bash Kerry" (well, bash his VP candidate) thread. I saw it as more of a bash the stupid protection post. -- Bob Noel Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal" oh yeah baby. |
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What in the world makes you think that the Democrats "were saying that
Kerry and Edwards were 'the Answer' to these problems"? Well, hell -- an honest Democrat. Why change horses if there's no problem The Johns can solve? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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and now, Jay, just imagine the prez coming to IOW for a couple of days,
shutting down your airport, denying access to your plane (so you can't even wash it) and everybody (this means: you, Mary, your kids, your employees and your guests) and his dog coming to your hotel is bodysearched ... security, you know. don't like the idea? Since so many are having trouble distinguishing the salient point of my post, let me say it again. This time in super-sloooow-mooootion, for the reading impaired: John Edwards isn't the President. He isn't the Vice-President. He is nobody but a run-of-the-mill Senator. I have no problem with giving the President of the United States the tightest possible security. If George Bush had been in Des Moines, I would have completely understood the treatment I received. Giving a dime-a-dozen politician this kind of protection, however, is patently absurd. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message et... "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news91Wc.21556$9d6.17529@attbi_s54... If this is what we have to look forward to under a Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come. I disagree completely with your logic. Maybe Jay should consider moving away from Iowa (or the US in general) if he can't tolerate such things. |
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All of these AHs picture themselves as royalty that the rest of us
ought to bow down to. If just fries my butt. Let them go about their business and us go about ours. If they're going to close the damn ramps then they should at least issue a notam so people can chose not to go there. "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news91Wc.21556$9d6.17529@attbi_s54... After living in Iowa for the last 7 years, it seemed that we were the only ones left who had NOT been to the "Great Iowa State Fair." This year is the 150th anniversary of this grand old tradition, so last weekend we decided to check it out. After the brief, 0.7 hour flight to Des Moines, Mary taxied up to Des Moines Flying Service (A.K.A.: "Signature") to park. As we trundled toward the ramp we noticed an inordinate number of vehicles parked on the airport side of the fence. As the prop stopped, I noticed that they were all law enforcement vehicles, of every type and kind, from marked squads to black Suburbans. Jokingly I commented on the criminal nature of that last landing (which netted me a swat to the head :-), but wondered aloud just what the heck could justify the expense of 30 - 40 vehicles and crew... ...and then we remembered the season, and where we were. It HAD to be a presidential election-related visit of some sort -- but who? Mary had quite specifically grilled Flight Service about TFRs, and had been told there were none. DSM approach mentioned nothing, either, so we were fairly certain that it couldn't be the President. The fact that the cops were eying us warily, but otherwise ignoring us, seemed to reinforce this notion. This left the Kerry/Edwards campaign as the primary suspects, and we were not to be disappointed. As soon as we were inside the FBO, the Kerry/Edwards "Real Deal" Boeing 727 plane rolled in. John Edwards was making an appearance in Des Moines, and we were lucky to get in when we did -- cuz the ramp was slammed shut, tight as a drum, as soon as he arrived. Walking to our rental car with my kids, I pushed up closer to the fence to take a picture. Immediately a uniformed DSM police officer asked if he could "help me" -- and ordered me to stay behind a painted line in the parking lot (that he had chosen entirely at random, at that instant) in no uncertain terms. So, I took my pictures and left, marveling at the stupidity of it all. After spending a marvelous day at the fair we returned to the airport -- and were dumb-founded to see all those police officers rolling up to the ramp once again! With incredibly bad timing, we had arrived precisely at the same moment as the advance security detail, meaning that Edwards couldn't be far behind. Now hurriedly paying for gas and the car, hoping against hope to get off the ground before the V.P.-wannabee returned to his plane, we grabbed our stuff and made a bee-line toward the plane -- only to have a secret service agent step between me and the door, asking that I please wait for Mr. Edwards to depart. Now you must realize that my plane was MAYBE 40 feet from the door he was blocking, while Mr. Liability-Attorney's 727 was several hundred yards farther out. I pointed this fact out to him, and also pointed to my children, stating that all we wanted to do was get off the ground before dark, since neither of us were legal to fly at night. This carried no weight with him, and he quietly told me that we'd just have to wait. So, I resignedly told my family to find comfy chairs, and that it would be while. For the next ten minutes or so, we observed at least 50 officers and agents, all on the tax-dole, making sure that the ramp area was "sterile" for Mr. Perfect-Hair. Some were just standing around staring into space, while others were actively scanning the fence line and building tops. Aggravatingly, two characters -- obviously pilots -- kept freely going in and out of the same door that the jar-head secret agent had blocked. This continued for 15 minutes, until I could no longer stand it. I approached the door guard and asked him what THEY had that we did NOT have -- to which he replied succinctly: "Clearance." Apparently they worked for Signature, and had been pre-screened to be on the ramp. By now thoroughly aggravated, I raised my hands over my head and said "Well, screen me. Escort me. Tow me. Do whatever you've got to do to make sure I'm not a threat -- but we've got to get off the ground soon, or we'll be stuck here overnight!" Unsmilingly, he simply said "You're not going anywhere until that plane departs." -- and that was that. Finally Mr. Ketchup's side-kick taxied out to the active runway -- and held for departure. We all immediately grabbed our stuff and started heading for the door -- which our favorite S.S. officer was STILL blocking! Dumbfounded, I asked what the problem was -- and he said that Edwards had to be OFF THE GROUND before he could clear us onto the ramp! Now thoroughly ****ed, I just stared at the guy incredulously. He got the message, and promised that he would try to "get us clearance onto the ramp" -- and started talking into his lapel. He then walked out onto the ramp, where he was animatedly talking with someone when Edwards' plane finally got clearance to depart, and blasted into the evening sky. Within minutes, the Signature ramp was empty, with no vestige of the incredible security presence that had been there only moments before. They all headed to the donut shoppe, and we were able to depart normally, as if nothing at all had just happened. Harry Truman once famously said that the "position of vice-president ain't worth a bucket of warm spit." Worse, Edwards isn't even THERE yet -- he's just a wannabee! He is nothing, absolutely NOTHING -- yet we are treating him like royalty, and my family was treated like criminals when we were anywhere near him. If this is what we have to look forward to under a Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come. As we climbed out I laughingly told my kids that this was "your tax-dollars at work." I then closed my eyes and wished fervently that 9/11 had never happened... (BTW: If you've never seen the Iowa State Fair, it's worth the trip. It's the biggest fair in America, apparently, and it is so chock-full of traditional Americana that I felt like a kid again. And my kids were absolutely in awe of the place, with the rides, live entertainment, food, and animals. Ever seen a 3000 pound bull? Me neither -- but they have one. It's as big as a car!) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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