Greetings from your friendly, neighborhood, TERRORIST!

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United States.

Name one instance of any of those things.


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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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If you qualify ACLU as an extremist group, I have to wonder what you
call the administration...

I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has
also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United
States.


All conclusions spiced with invective. Do you have any specific examples?
I didn't think so.

Apparently your conception of "freedom of religion" is freedom to harness
the state or any branch of government to propagate it, in spite of the First
Amendment's Establishment Clause. So you tell us, for example, how ACLU
has harmed your freedom of religion. You won't, of course.

ACLU doesn't take gun cases. By staying out of this fray, ACLU works
*against* the 2nd Amendment? You're amusing.

And, gosh, isn't this NG about piloting airplanes?

"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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From: " jls"

My sentiments too. What's weird about the case ACLU just won against
the
Justice Department? The court declared a part of the despicable Patriot
Act unconstitutional.

You wouldn't happen to be the "long lost" Jay L. S. formerly of
Gelnhausen,
Germany.......would you?



I'm a frayed knot. Last name is smith. But thanks for asking.

C,

However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United States.


Woohoo! Yeah, right!

You just crack me up!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

" jls" wrote in message
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I'll give you an example of something weird -- the book of mormon. Now
THAT is weird.

It's no weirder than the Torah, the New Testament, or the Koran. Singling
out a particular religious tract as an exemplar of weirdness strikes me as
unfair.

--Gary

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion,

Actually, they've done just the opposite. For instance, contrary to
right-wing disinformation, the ACLU defends the right of students to pray in
public schools--silently or out loud, alone or in groups. But the ACLU has
(quite properly) opposed allowing the government do anything to
orchestrate or promote prayer in public schools.

From the ACLU web site
(http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/S...?ID=9069&c=162): "Is
it ever ok to pray in school? Sure. Individual students have the right to
pray whenever they want to, as long as they don't disrupt classroom
instruction or other educational activities -- or try to force others to
pray along with them. If a school official has told you that you can't pray
at all during the school day, your right to exercise your religion is being
violated. Contact your local ACLU for help."

--Gary

jls wrote:

And, gosh, isn't this NG about piloting airplanes?

Interesting that you put this in *after* your response. If the thread is so
off topic, why bother responding at all?

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has
also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United
States.

Name one instance of any of those things.

You already know how I feel about issues such as posting the ten
commandments, nativity scenes, Stars of David and crosses and the like, as
well as private schools. You think these things are public imposition of
religion and are prohibited by the Constitution. I think that prohibiting
these things violates freedom of worship guaranteed by the Constitution.
Please do not insult my intelligence by pretending that you do not know the
issues involved. We may never agree, but don't try to tell me you don't know
what we are talking about.

As for ACLU's association with communism, don't be ridiculous. It was
founded by anarchists and communists and continues to be run by them today.
Some of the very earliest members included Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, who later
became chairman of the American Communist Party, and Agnes Smedly, a Soviet
agent. In every single case that I know of where the United States had a
legal issue with the Kremlin or Castro, the ACLU supported the communists,
even to the point of forcible repatriation of persons who came here looking
for political asylum.

The founder of ACLU was Roger Baldwin.
In 1935, Baldwin wrote the following in his college yearbook:
"I have been to Europe several times, mostly in connection with
international radical activities…and have traveled in the United States to
areas of conflict over workers rights to strike and organize. My chief
aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence
which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to
the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am
for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State
itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the
propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is
the goal."

Saying that the ACLU is neutral on gun control is bogus. If ACLU were
interested in protecting Constitutional rights then they would be in the
forefront of defending gun owners, especially in states like Washington,
where Constitutional protections are much stronger than in the US.

ACLU also continually sides against parents on such issues as birth control,
sex education, and abortion. Apparently ACLU is able to see a clear
Constitutional mandate for abortion but none for the right to bear arms.
ACLU has also taken the side of Communist states who have demanded
repatriation of children to their home countries when the parents defected
here. They have then contradicted themselves and taken the side of Cuba, for
example, when a child staying with relatives defected to the United States.

ACLU's attack on the Boy Scouts is legendary. Apparently ACLU does not
believe in freedom of association, either, if it involves groups that it
does not like.

I will be the first to admit that the ACLU has not always been wrong. It
opposes some real limitations on Constitutional freedoms. But to pretend tha
t these are the only positions that ACLU takes and that ACLU's goal is
preservation of the Constitution of the United States is just plain idiocy.

"John T" wrote in message
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jls wrote:

And, gosh, isn't this NG about piloting airplanes?

Interesting that you put this in *after* your response. If the thread is
so
off topic, why bother responding at all?

The old "shut up and prove it" argument.

I'll give you an example of something weird -- the book of mormon. Now
THAT is weird.

It's no weirder than the Torah, the New Testament, or the Koran. Singling
out a particular religious tract as an exemplar of weirdness strikes me as
unfair.

Well said, Gary, and I agree 100%.
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