ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Sylvain wrote in news:iKGdnTn-
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Snipola
My take, when asked for SSN by someone who has no legitimate
reason to be asking for it (i.e., anyone except the IRS,
employer, bank and unfortunately the DMV)
Snipola

My understanding is that of those four listed, only the
IRS has a legal right to the number.

Unfortunately, doing anything with the other three without
providing your SSN, although possible, is very difficult
and time consuming. But basically it involves getting yourself
assigned an alternate tax ID number. From what I've read on
the subject, you really REALLY need to know what you are doing,
because everytime you try to use it with someone, you have to
explain in horrid detail why they must accept it in lieu of
your SSN.

Probably more trouble than it's worth.

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Jose wrote

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For
many people it still does.

My 1959 pilot certificate doesn't bear my SSN and for some
time after that, they didn't.

Bob Moore

"Jose" wrote in message . ..
Beats me why they'd require the SSN

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For many people it still does.

Jose
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I got mine ticket in '75 and there was the option to have the FAA assign a number or you could use your SSN. I choose to
have them assign me a number and keep my SSN a little more private...

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If your FAA certificate has a SSN on the certificate or as
the certificate number, the FAA will purge their files of
all reference to the SSN and issue you new certificates (no
cost to you). See the FAA webpage for details.

On the FAA application, just put "Do Not Use" in the blank
and for a certificate number list "pending" or if you
already have a FAA number, show that. They will combine
numbers on all certificate, such as pilot, mechanic, rigger,
etc.


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| "Jose" wrote in message
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| Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it.
For many people it still does.
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the FAA assign a number or you could use your SSN. I choose
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private...
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| Dan
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"Dan Foster" wrote

Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

It is my understanding that it is against the law to be required to give
your SS#, to anyone besides a government agency.
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Jim in NC

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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A frigging *radio* would have made sense.
...
But you probably would have remembered to try 121.5.

You may be unaware of a couple key facts. Both aircraft had functioning
radios and the initial instruction from the Blackhawk was to tune to 121.5.
However, there was other traffic (I've never understood exactly what, but
the consensus is it was an ELT) on that frequency that prevented its use.
More valuable time was lost trying to figure out a) a new frequency and b)
how to communicate that to the errant 150.

Homeland insecurity at its best. Imagine if they'd killed these
guys. Nah. They're not *that* stupid...

Yeah, it's real stupid to risk getting shot by not knowing where you are.
DoD and DHS claim to have learned valuable lessons, but I can only hope
other pilots have learned there is an ADIZ around here with special rules
and special penalties.

Every violation hurts our chances of getting the damned thing dismantled.

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It is my understanding that it is against the law to be required to give
your SS#, to anyone besides a government agency.

It's not against the law to ask for it, it's not against the law to
choose with whom to deal.

Jose
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
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It's not for lack of trying. The department of HSA has refused to
comment.

I'm not aware of DHS staffing F-16's.

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John T wrote:

Both aircraft had functioning
radios and the initial instruction from the Blackhawk was to tune to 121.5.

Actually, several witnesses have stated that the Blackhawk did not have a
functioning radio. The department of Homeland Security has refused to comment on
that statement.

George Patterson
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your slightly older self.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Actually, several witnesses have stated that the Blackhawk did not
have a functioning radio. The department of Homeland Security has
refused to comment on that statement.

That's news to me. Do you have any links I can check out? I tried Google,
but I may not be using the right search criteria.

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