Shafted by the Transport Canada?

john smith wrote:
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"Happy Dog" wrote:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/pu...71/FAL/2-0.htm

What date did that go into effect?
Not including Lake Eric and Lake St Claire, I cross maybe five miles of
Canadian soil.

This has always been in effect, even before 9/11. Technically, the
border begins somewhere near the middle of Lake Erie, not when you
cross the shoreline.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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john smith wrote:
In article ,
"Happy Dog" wrote:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/pu...71/FAL/2-0.htm

What date did that go into effect?
Not including Lake Eric and Lake St Claire, I cross maybe five miles of
Canadian soil.

This has always been in effect, even before 9/11. Technically, the
border begins somewhere near the middle of Lake Erie, not when you
cross the shoreline.

The border is shown clear on the charts, that's if you use them of course.

"Happy Dog" wrote:

"Private aircraft overflying or landing in Canada for non-commercial
purposes need not obtain prior permission; however, a flight plan must
be filed."

How are you supposed to handle it if you are vectored over Canada by ATC,
since US ATC controls some Canadian airspace? You might not be expecting
to fly over Canada, and therefore wouldn't necessarily have needed to file
a flight plan.

"James Robinson" wrote in message
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How are you supposed to handle it if you are vectored over Canada by ATC

You tell ATC "unable".

"James Robinson" wrote in message
. 97.142...
"Happy Dog" wrote:

"Private aircraft overflying or landing in Canada for non-commercial
purposes need not obtain prior permission; however, a flight plan must
be filed."

How are you supposed to handle it if you are vectored over Canada by ATC,
since US ATC controls some Canadian airspace? You might not be expecting
to fly over Canada, and therefore wouldn't necessarily have needed to file
a flight plan.

Unlikely to happen. As another poster said, reply "unable". If you pooch
this you're dealing with people who will be unhelpful. When flying across
the US/Canada border, you often don't talk to ATC in the destination country
until you're well past the border. This made me very uncomfortable after
9/11 because the rules state that you must be incontact with destination ATC
before crossing the border. The response (including conversations with ATC
pals) is that you are in contact because *they* are in contact with each
other and this is how they handle most flights. Fair enough. I doubt that
anyone will get busted over this. But if anyone does, it won't be ATC.

moo

I have flown across Canada for decades without talking to ATC or
filing a flight plan... I have stopped doing that since 9/11 - period!

It doesn't matter whether you are just crossing over the Windsor VOR
for a few miles, or flying hundreds of miles into Canada.. It is a
violation of International Law to do so without a flight plan, and I
can guarantee you that the Homeland Security folks will be more than
happy to 'fold, spindle, and mutilate', and then go get their pats on
the back for "protecting" the country...

Now, avoiding that is stone simple... File a flight plan... OTOH, if
you forget and realize you are going to enter Canadian airspace (or
exit) simply call ATC and ask for Flight Following... That generates a
squawk code, you are in contact with ATC, and while it doesn't meet the
letter of the law, it demonstrates that you are a team player, not a
terrorist...

denny

"Denny" wrote

It doesn't matter whether you are just crossing over the Windsor VOR
for a few miles, or flying hundreds of miles into Canada.. It is a
violation of International Law to do so without a flight plan, and I
can guarantee you that the Homeland Security folks will be more than
happy to 'fold, spindle, and mutilate', and then go get their pats on
the back for "protecting" the country...

I would be willing to bet that there are many GA flights that nip the corner
of Canadian airspace quite regularly, and that Canadian ATC is more than
willing to "not notice" it happening.

Can you imagine how much extra work that would be for them, for flights only
in their airspace for a couple minutes, each?

Cops never stop pulling people over, when their shift is almost over,
either. Right.

They also stop speeders when they are just 1 MPH over the speed limit,
because after all, they are speeding. Yeah, right. Not.

I could be wrong. In that case, "never mind." g
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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They also stop speeders when they are just 1 MPH over the speed limit,
because after all, they are speeding. Yeah, right. Not.

Depends upon how greedy they are... In some of the small town speed traps,
they did exactly that... I can remember a certain little town that if you
were going 1 mph over the speed limit on a motorcycle, you were pretty much
guaranteed a ticket... Motorcycles had a bad rep back then and the cops
hated us...

"Grumman-581" wrote in
:

"Morgans" wrote in message
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They also stop speeders when they are just 1 MPH over the speed
limit, because after all, they are speeding. Yeah, right. Not.

Depends upon how greedy they are... In some of the small town speed
traps, they did exactly that... I can remember a certain little town
that if you were going 1 mph over the speed limit on a motorcycle, you
were pretty much guaranteed a ticket... Motorcycles had a bad rep back
then and the cops hated us...




Look up Ludowici, Georgia in Wikipedea. They went beyond the simple
speed trap of a sudden drop in the limit with an obsured sign to outright
fraud on out-of-state vehicles. They had a trick stop light which would
flash from green to yellow to red in a fraction of second, controlled by
the cops.

At one time, the AAA trip-tiks would route motorists on a 30 miles
cicuitous route to avoid US 301 through this town.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludowici%2C_GA

"The town gained notoriety during the 1950's and 1960's for it's aggressive
traffic enforcement policies. The AAA motoring organization went so far as
to specifically label Ludowici as a speed trap. Allegedly, members of the
local police force were engaging in manipulation of the timing of the
traffic signal downtown so as to catch unsuspecting out-of-area motorists
'running' a suddenly changed red light. This activity subsequently came to
an end when then-Governor Lester Maddox stated that the practices of the
Ludowici police were giving the entire state a bad reputation.

The Governor went so far as to put billboards on the outskirts of town
along US 301 warning motorists to slow down and that he was trying to
resolve the problem. Ultimately, traffic enforcement authority was stripped
from the local police and handed over to the Georgia Highway Patrol. The
signal that was responsible for the ticket trap now hangs in Doris and
Zip's bait and tackle shop in town."




















































































































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(4) Notwithstanding anything in this Division, no pilot-in-command
shall, unless a flight plan has been filed, operate an aircraft between
Canada and a foreign state.


Point out you didn't...you operated an aircraft between a foreign state and
Canada.

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