A380 captain's pay

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

I've been in this industry for about 15 years so I've probaby been
through 20 rounds of layoffs. Everytime I see people standing in the
hall complaining that their jobs are going to India, etc. Its just
sad. These people joined the technology industry when things were
going really, really well. Apparently they thought the world is
static, and that nothing ever changes. So they sat at their desks and
thought they'd be there until retirement. I don't have a lot of
sympathy for those types. There are *LOTS* and *LOTS* of opportunities
in the U.S. but you have to see the writing on the wall and change as
the industry changes. You have to keep updating your skills. I went
and got a company paid MBA and several patents knowing that the future
was in strategic management, not code monkeying.

That's exactly what people said about most IT jobs not so long ago.


You're an idiot.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

Maybe they are really, really old. I got out of school in the 90's
just ahead of the internet boom. I don't ever remember there being
job stability(if you define it as being able to work for the same
company for 40 years), and hours have always been long (actually they
were a lot longer before the industrialization of software). The
bottom line is that there were *WAY* too many people calling
themselves programmers during the internet bubble. Now you have to
know what you are doing.

There hasn't been any job stability since the first oil crisis.
Waht do you care, you don';t have a job.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

Software engineers who are still using skills from 1995 are probably
making 75K. If you aren't attending conferences (like Java One, etc)
and going to training at least once a year you can't expect to make
much more.

Conferences and training are just ways to make money from the naïve.



Yeah, all the money they wasted training me to fly is obviously a waste..

Fjukkktard.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

Sales engineering is now very, very big and can't be off-shored.

Sales engineering is an oxymoron.

Not really. I have several friends that have jobs in sales where their
engineering skills are critical.

Of course, I understand if you can't parse that sentence. It does have two
words that you seem to not relate to.

On May 30, 11:07 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:
I've been in this industry for about 15 years so I've probaby been
through 20 rounds of layoffs. Everytime I see people standing in the
hall complaining that their jobs are going to India, etc. Its just
sad. These people joined the technology industry when things were
going really, really well. Apparently they thought the world is
static, and that nothing ever changes. So they sat at their desks and
thought they'd be there until retirement. I don't have a lot of
sympathy for those types. There are *LOTS* and *LOTS* of opportunities
in the U.S. but you have to see the writing on the wall and change as
the industry changes. You have to keep updating your skills. I went
and got a company paid MBA and several patents knowing that the future
was in strategic management, not code monkeying.

That's exactly what people said about most IT jobs not so long ago.

Yes. You can never plan on doing the same thing for 40 years today,
you have be to flexible enough to change with the times.

-Robert

On May 30, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:
Maybe they are really, really old. I got out of school in the 90's
just ahead of the internet boom. I don't ever remember there being job
stability(if you define it as being able to work for the same company
for 40 years), and hours have always been long (actually they were a
lot longer before the industrialization of software). The bottom line
is that there were *WAY* too many people calling themselves
programmers during the internet bubble. Now you have to know what you
are doing.

There hasn't been any job stability since the first oil crisis.

Even if you know what you are doing, someone in India knows what he is doing
even better than you do, and he'll work for 10% of your salary.

I have a dozen guys in India right now. Not a one only makes 10% of a
U.S. salary and some are pretty darn close to U.S. salary. Yet, we
just hired 6 people here in the states and I just found out about two
more companies in the area looking for programmers at lunch. So all
your assertions are wrong.

-Robret

On May 30, 11:09 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:
Sales engineering is now very, very big and can't be off-shored.

Sales engineering is an oxymoron.

Apparently you aren't familiar with the technology industry so I'll
explain what the term means. Sales guys don't know much about
technology so they bring sales engineers out with them (or ahead of
them). The sales engineer talks tech with the customer and sets up
demo type of stuff. The actual sales guy just talks to the finance guy
and the C-executive (CEO, CTO, COO, etc). Sales engineers make salary
plus a piece of the sales person's commission. Since that job requires
travel in the U.S. its hard to outsource right now (its taking us
about 4 weeks to get business Visas for employees coming into the U.S.
for periods of 1 to 2 weeks of travel). Most of our sales engineers
live all over the country working out of their house and traveling
about 2 weeks per month. Again, its amazing to me how some people are
so confident in their opinion of the U.S. job market as they sit in
their parent's basement.

-Robert

On May 30, 11:09 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:
Software engineers who are still using skills from 1995 are probably
making 75K. If you aren't attending conferences (like Java One, etc)
and going to training at least once a year you can't expect to make
much more.

Conferences and training are just ways to make money from the naïve.

Sounds like someone can't afford the $5000 for the conference pass and
is a bit bitter about it. If you are working in IT you can expense it
so I don't care what it costs. If you think for a second that having
recent conferences and training on your resume doesn't make a
difference you are in a way different world than the rest of us.
Bottom line, I'm easily making 6 figures and have enough money in the
bank that the 5% etrade savings account pays me comes out to more than
you said you make a year. So, you can argue with me if you want but
I'm out here making money and you're at home bitching.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

you said you make a year. So, you can argue with me if you want but
I'm out here making money and you're at home bitching.

tsst tsst. You are spoiling a perfectly entertaining usenet discussion
by injecting facts and an unhealthy dose of reality. :-)

--Sylvain

On May 25, 8:24 am, Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 25, 10:27 am, Kingfish wrote:

Interesting article here on the arbitration case between Singapore
Airlines and its pilots. The court ruled SIA must pay A380 captains
more than 747 captains. Duh? If it's bigger, heavier and has more
seats that should be a no-brainer IMHO, unless of course the airline
is trying to contain labor costs. I was amazed to see their monthly
base pay of $10k for 747 captains. $120k/yr to fly a 747? Even
allowing for per diem and other stuff, SWA's 737 captains make a lot
more than that...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...court-rules-si...

Do bigger airplanes require more skill to fly? The Wright Flyer weighs
only 600 lbs but most pilots don't have the skill to fly it.

Generally airlines require more hours to fly the bigger planes. As a
result those more experienced pilots will tend to make more because
they can demand a higher salary in the market (in addition to union
factors). Bottom line, its easier to convince someone to fly their
C-172 for you than their B-747.

-Robert