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  #81  
Old October 1st 07, 02:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!

If you only put in 21 hours this
weekend, you're slacking, it should have been 32 hours. And I'm writing
that with a smile


Did I mention I dreamed about the hotel, too?

Funny as that sounds, it's true. But I can't claim that as actual
"work time", I suppose...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

  #82  
Old October 1st 07, 06:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Morgans[_2_]
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!


"Jay Honeck" wrote
Yep, OSH was our "big vacation" for the year.

All of our other planned trips were cancelled, due to a myriad of
staffing problems at the inn.


Jay, you should have forgot about having the Inn, and gotten a minnimum wage
job; at least you could take vacation whenever you wanted to! g (ducking
and running)
--
Jim in NC


  #83  
Old October 1st 07, 06:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jon Woellhaf
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!

Jay Honeck wrote
... my last full day off was in July, when I was sitting on the tarmac in
OSH.


Tarmac? Where is the tarmac at Oshkosh? g


  #84  
Old October 1st 07, 09:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
kontiki
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!

Margy Natalie wrote:

Of course they may currently be making minimum wage and living off $$
from selling a previous business or other investments. If you have $$
in the bank to live off you don't really need to make lots of $$ until
the stuff in the bank runs out (and by that time the hotel should be
making $$) :-).


Or you die ... so who cares as long as you are happy while you are alive.
  #85  
Old October 1st 07, 11:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Newps
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!



Jay Honeck wrote:
"50's or god forbid your 60's"??? I've almost got 27 years in, and it
looks like I'll be here another 23+, which will make me at least 71.



Don't forget, Newps exists in the fantasyland called "Gummint", where
work is optional and brief. Retirement in your 50s -- despite huge
advances in lifespan -- is common, and gummint jobs come with all
sorts of "guarantees" that make you virtually "employed forever",
regardless of performance.




Not government work, just any career that doesn't involve running your
own business. My three brothers are all working the corporate
lifestyle. We all plan on checking out in our 50's.





I've met very few men that have lived very long after they retired.
My German ancestors nailed it when they coined the phrase: "Work makes
life sweet" -- and if you disagree with that statement, you're in the
wrong line of work.



I disagree. You make your own life sweet by your attitude. Work puts
the plane in the air. I like what I do but if you consider your line of
work as recreation it's no wonder those type of people die right after
retiring. Work is a necessary evil, it prevents me from doing what I'd
really rather be doing, stuff that you don't get paid for.
  #86  
Old October 2nd 07, 12:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!


"Newps" wrote:

Don't forget, Newps exists in the fantasyland called "Gummint", where
work is optional and brief. Retirement in your 50s -- despite huge
advances in lifespan -- is common, and gummint jobs come with all
sorts of "guarantees" that make you virtually "employed forever",
regardless of performance.




Not government work, just any career that doesn't involve running your own
business. My three brothers are all working the corporate lifestyle. We
all plan on checking out in our 50's.



My buddy George worked his way well up in a corporation and was planning on
retiring at 60. At 50, his group was spun off, sold and bankrupted by the new
owner corp. In less than three years he went from a man with a solid
retirement strategy to a guy with a gutted pension, no job, no health
insurance and two kids in college.

Only Federal government workers and people with plenty of money have any
security anymore. Benefits are shrinking for employees everywhere except the
Federal government. This trend will accelerate as globalism increasingly
pervades the U. S. and European economies.

You're working in a dream world, Newps.


I've met very few men that have lived very long after they retired.
My German ancestors nailed it when they coined the phrase: "Work makes
life sweet" -- and if you disagree with that statement, you're in the
wrong line of work.



I disagree. You make your own life sweet by your attitude. Work puts the
plane in the air. I like what I do but if you consider your line of work as
recreation it's no wonder those type of people die right after retiring.
Work is a necessary evil, it prevents me from doing what I'd really rather
be doing, stuff that you don't get paid for.


But Jay is right about your situation. It is unimaginable for most people who
work outside the Federal government.

--
Dan

"Sanity is not to be without fantasy, but to know reality, and remember the
difference."
- Clive James


  #87  
Old October 2nd 07, 12:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!


"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Did I mention I dreamed about the hotel, too?


Hah!

I dream about the business, too. I consider this *highly* unfair. I mean,
gimme a break; how about some "Mile High Club" dreams? I need the recreation!

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM


  #88  
Old October 2nd 07, 01:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Newps
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!



Dan Luke wrote:



But Jay is right about your situation. It is unimaginable for most people who
work outside the Federal government.



No, he's not right. It's quite easy to get terminated from the FAA due
to performance issues. Right now, as an example, only 8% of new hires
are making the cut at Denver Tower. 92% of these people are losing
their jobs, as in termination, after 1-3 years of government service. I
have not heard numbers from other places but even if it were much better
that's still a lot of people looking for work.
  #89  
Old October 2nd 07, 02:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Margy Natalie
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!

Dan Luke wrote:
"Newps" wrote:


Don't forget, Newps exists in the fantasyland called "Gummint", where
work is optional and brief. Retirement in your 50s -- despite huge
advances in lifespan -- is common, and gummint jobs come with all
sorts of "guarantees" that make you virtually "employed forever",
regardless of performance.




Not government work, just any career that doesn't involve running your own
business. My three brothers are all working the corporate lifestyle. We
all plan on checking out in our 50's.




My buddy George worked his way well up in a corporation and was planning on
retiring at 60. At 50, his group was spun off, sold and bankrupted by the new
owner corp. In less than three years he went from a man with a solid
retirement strategy to a guy with a gutted pension, no job, no health
insurance and two kids in college.

Only Federal government workers and people with plenty of money have any
security anymore. Benefits are shrinking for employees everywhere except the
Federal government. This trend will accelerate as globalism increasingly
pervades the U. S. and European economies.

You're working in a dream world, Newps.


I've met very few men that have lived very long after they retired.
My German ancestors nailed it when they coined the phrase: "Work makes
life sweet" -- and if you disagree with that statement, you're in the
wrong line of work.



I disagree. You make your own life sweet by your attitude. Work puts the
plane in the air. I like what I do but if you consider your line of work as
recreation it's no wonder those type of people die right after retiring.
Work is a necessary evil, it prevents me from doing what I'd really rather
be doing, stuff that you don't get paid for.



But Jay is right about your situation. It is unimaginable for most people who
work outside the Federal government.

And ... That's on the OLD government pension plan, not the new one :-).

Margy
  #90  
Old October 2nd 07, 03:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Newps
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Default Jay's poverty, was: Ouch!!! Wet rates keep going up!



Margy Natalie wrote:


And ... That's on the OLD government pension plan, not the new one :-).





I prefer the new one. The old one was a pension only, the new one has a
much smaller pension but includes a 401k.
 




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