Hilarious

knockoff ? Sure, mind you, it has a cabin that was designed by
australian firm FACC, engine is from GE, wing design is from antonov.
btw, i heard that the only thing that american can really manufacture
now is boeing, american cars are only the verge of bankruptcy thanks
to Japan, ask chrysler if you don't believe me. almost the entire
american market now is dominated by Japanese brands, what a pity for a
country that hated Japanese brands so much only 2 decades ago.

sometimes it makes me laugh to think what would happen to boeing if
japan was to make passenger planes. lol

God bless america !

wrote:
knockoff ? Sure, mind you, it has a cabin that was designed by
australian firm FACC, engine is from GE, wing design is from antonov.
btw, i heard that the only thing that american can really manufacture
now is boeing, american cars are only the verge of bankruptcy thanks
to Japan, ask chrysler if you don't believe me. almost the entire
american market now is dominated by Japanese brands, what a pity for a
country that hated Japanese brands so much only 2 decades ago.

It was four decades ago. Honda, Toyota,
Nisson (AKA Datsun), Sony, Olympus, Panasonic
etc, etc were firmly entrenched by 1987.

Do you work in manufacturing?

sometimes it makes me laugh to think what would happen to boeing if
japan was to make passenger planes. lol

God bless america !

Jim Stewart wrote:
wrote:
knockoff ? Sure, mind you, it has a cabin that was designed by
australian firm FACC, engine is from GE, wing design is from antonov.
btw, i heard that the only thing that american can really manufacture
now is boeing, american cars are only the verge of bankruptcy thanks
to Japan, ask chrysler if you don't believe me. almost the entire
american market now is dominated by Japanese brands, what a pity for a
country that hated Japanese brands so much only 2 decades ago.

It was four decades ago. Honda, Toyota,
Nisson (AKA Datsun), Sony, Olympus, Panasonic
etc, etc were firmly entrenched by 1987.

Do you work in manufacturing?

sometimes it makes me laugh to think what would happen to boeing if
japan was to make passenger planes. lol

God bless america !

2 decades ago, alot of American car factories were shut down due to
the surge of Japanese cars and because of that alot of American
factories workers held resentment against Japanese cars, and the
situation only got better when Japanese automakers decide to open many
factories in America.

God bless America !

wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:
wrote:
knockoff ? Sure, mind you, it has a cabin that was designed by
australian firm FACC, engine is from GE, wing design is from antonov.
btw, i heard that the only thing that american can really manufacture
now is boeing, american cars are only the verge of bankruptcy thanks
to Japan, ask chrysler if you don't believe me. almost the entire
american market now is dominated by Japanese brands, what a pity for a
country that hated Japanese brands so much only 2 decades ago.
It was four decades ago. Honda, Toyota,
Nisson (AKA Datsun), Sony, Olympus, Panasonic
etc, etc were firmly entrenched by 1987.

Do you work in manufacturing?

sometimes it makes me laugh to think what would happen to boeing if
japan was to make passenger planes. lol

God bless america !

2 decades ago, alot of American car factories were shut down due to
the surge of Japanese cars and because of that alot of American
factories workers held resentment against Japanese cars, and the
situation only got better when Japanese automakers decide to open many
factories in America.

Oh, now I understand. You said America, but
meant auto workers. Japanese products were
largely scorned in the 50's and 60's as cheap
and poor quality. Government mandated quality
control standards fixed that. The same will
happen with Chinese goods and thus end Japan's
nice run.

BTW, there is lots of manufacturing going on
in the US. It's specialized and niche-market
oriented, but it still exists. Just try to
get some CNC metalwork done and note the prices
and leadtimes.

Japanese products were
largely scorned in the 50's and 60's as cheap
and poor quality.

Well at least that was an improvement from the 30s and 40s when they
were reputed to produce crap AND have poor eyesight and be poor
marksmen to boot.

Nowadays the Jap cars are not doing so well in terms of quality.

See latest consumer report.

We're okay. The OP can kiss (and ****) off.

On Dec 28, 4:20 pm, wrote:

2 decades ago, alot of American car factories were shut down due to
the surge of Japanese cars and because of that alot of American
factories workers held resentment against Japanese cars, and the
situation only got better when Japanese automakers decide to open many
factories in America.

My wife and I were in Africa a few weeks ago and saw many
Japanese vehicles there along with European stuff, but I was floored
to learn of a couple of makes I'd never heard of befo Great Wall
Motors (China), and Mahindra (India). Good-looking stuff but
apparently it's still rather cheap. But they'll fix that and we North
Amicans will be in even deeper trouble.

Go he http://www.chinacartimes.com/categor...t-wall-motors/

And he http://www.mahindra.com/OurBusinesse...ufacturer.html

I bet others will show up. Doesn't look good for the big NA
automakers. Too smug for too long.

Dan

Not to worry!!! We will have 35 mpg cars on the road in 13 years. In the
meantime, China and India will improve their infrastructure, meaning more
cars on the road and more fuel needed. Gas will be $10 per gallon. In 2020,
some politician will suggest improving the interstate rail system, like the
railroads in Europe and Japan, and will be hailed as a genius. Then it will
be another 20 years minimum before investment in rail has any effect.

Bob Gardner

wrote in message
...
On Dec 28, 4:20 pm, wrote:

2 decades ago, alot of American car factories were shut down due to
the surge of Japanese cars and because of that alot of American
factories workers held resentment against Japanese cars, and the
situation only got better when Japanese automakers decide to open many
factories in America.

My wife and I were in Africa a few weeks ago and saw many
Japanese vehicles there along with European stuff, but I was floored
to learn of a couple of makes I'd never heard of befo Great Wall
Motors (China), and Mahindra (India). Good-looking stuff but
apparently it's still rather cheap. But they'll fix that and we North
Amicans will be in even deeper trouble.

Go he http://www.chinacartimes.com/categor...t-wall-motors/

And he
http://www.mahindra.com/OurBusinesse...ufacturer.html

I bet others will show up. Doesn't look good for the big NA
automakers. Too smug for too long.

Dan

I once listened to Dave Platt, CEO of Hewlett-Packard when they still made
the world's best oscilloscopes.

His message was about change. "Normally, change happens only when the pain
of continuing exceeds the pain of making the change. The leaders will be
those who dare to change sooner".

Think of the day when avgas will cost $10 a gallon as it already does in
Europe, and you still want to continue flying. The Europeans already prove
it's doable, so better start preparing now.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:15:42 -0800, "Bob Gardner"
wrote:

Not to worry!!! We will have 35 mpg cars on the road in 13 years. In the

There are a number of fairly nice cars that will do that or close to
it already. Several economy cars can do well better. My wife's hybrid
gets an honest 47 all around.

meantime, China and India will improve their infrastructure, meaning more
cars on the road and more fuel needed. Gas will be $10 per gallon. In 2020,
some politician will suggest improving the interstate rail system, like the
railroads in Europe and Japan, and will be hailed as a genius. Then it will
be another 20 years minimum before investment in rail has any effect.

Bob Gardner

wrote in message
...
On Dec 28, 4:20 pm, wrote:

2 decades ago, alot of American car factories were shut down due to
the surge of Japanese cars and because of that alot of American

Which was due to the quality and lack of economy of the American cars
at the time. This is when we were just getting away from "Planned
obsolescence"

factories workers held resentment against Japanese cars, and the

Japan made what the American public would purchase with good quality,
not what the car makers wanted to sell or the American public said
they wanted.

situation only got better when Japanese automakers decide to open many
factories in America.

Check the parts in so called American made cars. Many might have a
problem with the 51% home built rule:-))


My wife and I were in Africa a few weeks ago and saw many
Japanese vehicles there along with European stuff, but I was floored
to learn of a couple of makes I'd never heard of befo Great Wall
Motors (China), and Mahindra (India). Good-looking stuff but
apparently it's still rather cheap. But they'll fix that and we North
Amicans will be in even deeper trouble.

Low labor cost in Japan gave them an advantage over American labor.
Now Korean labor prices are giving Japan competition. However the
Koreans are already worried about China and India. And so it goes...

Eventually it'll all even out, if a pandemic, nature, and accident, or
we don't wipe ourselves out.

Roger (K8RI)


Go he http://www.chinacartimes.com/categor...t-wall-motors/

And he
http://www.mahindra.com/OurBusinesse...ufacturer.html

I bet others will show up. Doesn't look good for the big NA
automakers. Too smug for too long.

Dan

How do you expect American companies to compete against the world when the
American companies have to pay their workers 60k -100k per year, whether
they work or not, and then support them in retirement in that same standard
of living for as long as thirty to forty years? As the standard of living
in Asian companies grows, and the worker demands match the growth, the
quality of their products will suffer in comparison as they are cost-reduced
to be competitive on the world market. Remember that as you crow about how
great the products are from developing companies, you are purchasing that
quality at the expense of your fellow workers. Please do not then complain
about how manufacturing has left our shores.

Ten years ago GM spend more for health care for its workers than for steel.
Has anyone here (except Jay) priced family health insurance? Not just your
share of the bill for group insurance that your employer subsidizes, but the
actual cost of individual insurance with family coverage? The amazing thing
is that American companies are as competitive as they are.

2 decades ago, alot of American car factories were shut down due to
the surge of Japanese cars and because of that alot of American
factories workers held resentment against Japanese cars, and the
situation only got better when Japanese automakers decide to open many
factories in America.