Troubling story and some questions

Agreeing with JJ . . .

And besides transponder, Dave also had a TPAS, so at least he could tell
there were no potential targets above him when he pulled stick.

bumper
(Xponder and TPAS)
Minden, NV
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"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message
...
I'm sick of sanding this DG and it's still several hours before the
Packers start beating up on the Sea Gulls, so let me tell you a little
story about busting the PC. We were on an low level VFR route in the
RF-4C, early in out training that offered an all expence paid vacation
to Cong's Ville upon graduation. We hit a couple of targets out in the
desert and then the route took us into the mountains north of Mt.
Home, ID where we encountered a solid deck about 2000 above us. We
pressed on and soon were rapidly painting ourselves into a corner (box
canyon). I told my pilot; let's forget this and get out of here! He
replied; I don't have clearance to enter the clouds. Allow me to state
here that the 1/lt Nose-Gunner, the Air Force issued me was long on
regulations and short on judgment! Soon we were in real trouble, 100
feet off the pine-cones and 100 feet below the
clouds.................................at which time I yelled, Screw
the clearance, CLIMB. We did and finally got hold of center at 10,000
feet. Did we endanger anyone? Did center even know we were in the
soup? Was there anyone else, dumb enough to be flying low in the WX,
near the rocks? Did the original poster endanger anyone by busting the
PC over Reno? He had a transponder and all the folks up there had one
too + TCAS and besides the safest place to be is 18 right over the
Reno. The dangerous place is 9 to 12 thousand at 10 to 20 miles out.
Center was painting him and would/could have diverter any potential
conflicts. I don't think anyone was endangered, except he could have
pulled the wings off by foolishly trying to stay below 18. Remember, a
26 driver did just that right over Reno and endangered himself and
those on the ground with falling pieces of fiberglass. I say he did
the right thing. Now the rest of us, If you fly around
Reno...........get a transponder!
OK, rant's over, bring on the Sea Gulls!
JJ

I concur, very thin ice indeed. According to 14CFR
part 103.1:
(d) If unpowered, weighs less than 155 pounds; or
(4) Has a power-off stall speed which does not exceed
24 knots
calibrated airspeed.
Thanks, Bob K.

Since I still belong to USHPA (US Hang Gliding Paragliding
Association) I am covered for
$1,000,000 liability insurance for only $60.
Dave

So since apparently Daves Sparrowhawk is too heavy
and has too high of a stall speed to be an ultralight.
Will his USHPA insurance still pay off on their $1,000,000
policy in the event he has an accident?

I concur, very thin ice indeed. According to 14CFR
part 103.1:
(d) If unpowered, weighs less than 155 pounds; or
(4) Has a power-off stall speed which does not exceed
24 knots
calibrated airspeed.
Thanks, Bob K.

Since I still belong to USHPA (US Hang Gliding Paragliding
Association) I am covered for
$1,000,000 liability insurance for only $60.
Dave

So since apparently Daves Sparrowhawk is too heavy
and has too high of a stall speed to be an ultralight.
Will his USHPA insurance still pay off on their $1,000,000
policy in the event he has an accident?

JJ Sinclair wrote:
I'm sick of sanding this DG and it's still several hours before the
Packers start beating up on the Sea Gulls, so let me tell you a little
story about busting the PC. We were on an low level VFR route in the
RF-4C, early in out training that offered an all expence paid vacation
to Cong's Ville upon graduation. We hit a couple of targets out in the
desert and then the route took us into the mountains north of Mt.
Home, ID where we encountered a solid deck about 2000 above us. We
pressed on and soon were rapidly painting ourselves into a corner (box
canyon). I told my pilot; let's forget this and get out of here! He
replied; I don't have clearance to enter the clouds. Allow me to state
here that the 1/lt Nose-Gunner, the Air Force issued me was long on
regulations and short on judgment! Soon we were in real trouble, 100
feet off the pine-cones and 100 feet below the
clouds....


Another fine ATC product, not in TAC nearly long enough to absorb the
culture.

Why in the world would anyone put a 1/Lt in an RF? I thought that was
Senior Captain and Field-Grade work.


Jack

Another fine ATC product, not in TAC nearly long enough to absorb the
culture.

Why in the world would anyone put a 1/Lt in an RF? I thought that was
Senior Captain and Field-Grade work.

Jack

Hi Jack,
Oops, best not say that to an airline pilot!

I got to admit that I choose the guy (1/lt driver) The scene was
something like this; 8 navigators (all Captains fresh out of the belly
of the buff) sitting in the breffing room waiting for class 67B to
form up. In walks four First Liutenants (fresh out of the back seat
of the F-4) and four grisley looking light Colonels (fresh out of the
Pentagon, via command & staff school)...............................I
turned to my buddy and said; "I'm getting me one of those Liutenants,
at least they know the airplane. Those Colonels will kill you for
sure".........................Man was I wrong, my Liutenant tried real
hard to kill me and one of those grisley old Colonels ended up getting
the Silver Star for some foolishness north of the DMZ.
JJ

JJ Sinclair wrote:

I got to admit that I choose the guy (1/lt driver) The scene was
something like this; 8 navigators (all Captains fresh out of the belly
of the buff) sitting in the breffing room waiting for class 67B to
form up. In walks four First Liutenants (fresh out of the back seat
of the F-4) and four grisley looking light Colonels (fresh out of the
Pentagon, via command & staff school)...............................I
turned to my buddy and said; "I'm getting me one of those Liutenants,
at least they know the airplane. Those Colonels will kill you for
sure".........................Man was I wrong, my Liutenant tried real
hard to kill me and one of those grisley old Colonels ended up getting
the Silver Star for some foolishness north of the DMZ.

So, your mission--which you chose to accept-was to save that 1LT's butt,
and let the LC's take care of something else that needed caring for (Karma).

Wonder where that 1Lt is today?


Jack

Wonder where that 1Lt is today?

Jack

I had to jettison him after he showed me how to pull 6 G's with the
power at idle..................then we got out and walked!

My pilot in the F-111 said he knew him (my old RF driver) They made
him an instructor in T-38's where he lead a 4 ship of 38's right
through another 4 ship formation! Nobody crunched.
JJ