"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton

"John Mazor" wrote in
news:96cgj.955$hS.113@trnddc08:


"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...

The way I look at it is that science can be useful for trying to
explain and predict the real world around us. For hundreds of years
Newtonian physics provided a pretty good model of the real world and
useful for making predictions about how things would work.
Scientific evidence today shows that Newtonian physics is incomplete
for certain environments. Who knows what other limitations of our
understanding exist?

The limits to our understanding are infinite - which is precisely why
the scientific method never claims to have discovered "the unalterable
truth" on any matter. It compiles evidence and tries to make sense of
it with hypotheses leading to structured theory sets. Whenever a
scientist says "here's the science" he's essentially betting on the
best horse in the running (or horses, if there are convincing
alternate theories in the race). Because of Occam's Razor, science
doesn't like to bet on the long shots, such as the possibility of ID.
Many horses can be - and eventually will be - knocked out of the
running, but that doesn't mean that at any given moment there won't be
an acknowledged front-runner in a race that never will reach a finish
line.

Your Newtonian example is frequently used in an attempt to undermine
the theory of evolution, but it's just a version of requiring science
to prove a negative. "Science was mistaken about Newtonian mechanics
governing all motion, so now prove that its rejection of ID isn't also
wrong." Using that same principle, I can posit that we are surrounded
by invisible aliens from Zygorthia who are getting their kicks by
being responsible for everything bad that happens on earth (including
TWA800, for those of you who remember that set-to with the conspiracy
theorists). The alternate or null theory, that they don't exist, is
well supported by hypotheses and data, so it supports a rejection of
my theory. But science can never disprove my theory. After all, they
may really be there and we just haven't discovered the means to detect
them yet, just as "ID is/may be true, we just haven't yet discovered
the means to prove it".

For anyone who demands that ID be taught in science classes, I demand
equal billing for my theory that Zygorthians, and not the devil, are
responsible for all the evil in the world.



Infidel. The Flying Spaghetti monster is the one true god. The
Zygorthians are not in the loose canon and therfore do not exist.


RAmen


Bertie

On Jan 4, 5:44*am, "news.verizon.net" wrote:
One could say the same about you then since you see a kook's posting and
automatically decide what party he supports and what that party thinks
about."skym" wrote in message

And just who else would make such an attack solely on the dems without
making a similar attack on the repubs?

WolfRat wrote in :

Martin Hotze wrote:
WolfRat schrieb:

His Mother is white
His so called Father a.k.a. sperm donor is black

He was raised by his white GRANDPARENTS

BUT?!?!? he denies his white roots and hides his white
relatives. Notice how when on stage you NEVER see his white
heritage?

He is a SCAM and LIE and MEDIA Darling/CLOWN

No wonder he is leading in the polls so many of the American
people have been dumbed down and made to think using FEDERAL
control of school curriculum and left wing San Francisco
media/ad companies that white is bad and not cool anymore.
They think Black is the next best thing to GOD. If a White
person speaks out about the media bias and mind programming
they are automatically a racist and bigot and DEMONIZED and
belittled. It's all HORSE **** and a SCAM


Nope, I heard him say he used to watch "Father knows best" and eschews
prk knuckles for white bread.

Good credentials.

America has become retarded and clueless


You've convinced me of that, if nothing else.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"John Mazor" wrote in
news:96cgj.955$hS.113@trnddc08:


"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...

The way I look at it is that science can be useful for trying to
explain and predict the real world around us. For hundreds of years
Newtonian physics provided a pretty good model of the real world and
useful for making predictions about how things would work.
Scientific evidence today shows that Newtonian physics is incomplete
for certain environments. Who knows what other limitations of our
understanding exist?

The limits to our understanding are infinite - which is precisely why
the scientific method never claims to have discovered "the unalterable
truth" on any matter. It compiles evidence and tries to make sense of
it with hypotheses leading to structured theory sets. Whenever a
scientist says "here's the science" he's essentially betting on the
best horse in the running (or horses, if there are convincing
alternate theories in the race). Because of Occam's Razor, science
doesn't like to bet on the long shots, such as the possibility of ID.
Many horses can be - and eventually will be - knocked out of the
running, but that doesn't mean that at any given moment there won't be
an acknowledged front-runner in a race that never will reach a finish
line.

Your Newtonian example is frequently used in an attempt to undermine
the theory of evolution, but it's just a version of requiring science
to prove a negative. "Science was mistaken about Newtonian mechanics
governing all motion, so now prove that its rejection of ID isn't also
wrong." Using that same principle, I can posit that we are surrounded
by invisible aliens from Zygorthia who are getting their kicks by
being responsible for everything bad that happens on earth (including
TWA800, for those of you who remember that set-to with the conspiracy
theorists). The alternate or null theory, that they don't exist, is
well supported by hypotheses and data, so it supports a rejection of
my theory. But science can never disprove my theory. After all, they
may really be there and we just haven't discovered the means to detect
them yet, just as "ID is/may be true, we just haven't yet discovered
the means to prove it".

For anyone who demands that ID be taught in science classes, I demand
equal billing for my theory that Zygorthians, and not the devil, are
responsible for all the evil in the world.

Infidel. The Flying Spaghetti monster is the one true god. The
Zygorthians are not in the loose canon and therfore do not exist.

RAmen

Prove it, Heretic!

In article ,
"Neil Gould" wrote:

Denying the theory of evolution is not necessarily anti-science.

I can't see how it isn't.

OK. then we'll just have to disagree

As long as you're clear that you're disagreeing with everyone who knows
what science is...

(All the chosen who know "what science is" agree on all theories, eh?)

Since I, in fact, know what science is, are you trying to say that I disagree
with myself?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

In article 96cgj.955$hS.113@trnddc08, "John Mazor"
wrote:

[snip]
Your Newtonian example is frequently used in an attempt to undermine the
theory of
evolution, but it's just a version of requiring science to prove a negative.
"Science was
mistaken about Newtonian mechanics governing all motion, so now prove that
its rejection
of ID isn't also wrong."

please please PLEASE note that I wasn't running down the ID path.

My discussion of Newtonian physics was merely an example of how
scientific understanding changes (hopefully improves) over time.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:05:11 -0500, WolfRat wrote
in :

he denies his white roots and hides his white
relatives.

If I were related to Cheney I wouldn't flaunt it either. :-)

"John Mazor" wrote in news:lHcgj.797$sH.455
@trnddc04:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"John Mazor" wrote in
news:96cgj.955$hS.113@trnddc08:


"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...

The way I look at it is that science can be useful for trying to
explain and predict the real world around us. For hundreds of
years
Newtonian physics provided a pretty good model of the real world
and
useful for making predictions about how things would work.
Scientific evidence today shows that Newtonian physics is
incomplete
for certain environments. Who knows what other limitations of our
understanding exist?

The limits to our understanding are infinite - which is precisely
why
the scientific method never claims to have discovered "the
unalterable
truth" on any matter. It compiles evidence and tries to make sense
of
it with hypotheses leading to structured theory sets. Whenever a
scientist says "here's the science" he's essentially betting on the
best horse in the running (or horses, if there are convincing
alternate theories in the race). Because of Occam's Razor, science
doesn't like to bet on the long shots, such as the possibility of
ID.
Many horses can be - and eventually will be - knocked out of the
running, but that doesn't mean that at any given moment there won't
be
an acknowledged front-runner in a race that never will reach a
finish
line.

Your Newtonian example is frequently used in an attempt to undermine
the theory of evolution, but it's just a version of requiring
science
to prove a negative. "Science was mistaken about Newtonian
mechanics
governing all motion, so now prove that its rejection of ID isn't
also
wrong." Using that same principle, I can posit that we are
surrounded
by invisible aliens from Zygorthia who are getting their kicks by
being responsible for everything bad that happens on earth
(including
TWA800, for those of you who remember that set-to with the
conspiracy
theorists). The alternate or null theory, that they don't exist, is
well supported by hypotheses and data, so it supports a rejection of
my theory. But science can never disprove my theory. After all,
they
may really be there and we just haven't discovered the means to
detect
them yet, just as "ID is/may be true, we just haven't yet discovered
the means to prove it".

For anyone who demands that ID be taught in science classes, I
demand
equal billing for my theory that Zygorthians, and not the devil, are
responsible for all the evil in the world.

Infidel. The Flying Spaghetti monster is the one true god. The
Zygorthians are not in the loose canon and therfore do not exist.

RAmen

Prove it, Heretic!



His most perfect Pasta must exist because it is impossible to imagine
anything more perfect than FSM, there being nothing more perfect. It is
therefore impossible to imagine there not being an FSM since that would
be more perfect than there actually being one and that would be
impossible.


Bertie

Bob Noel wrote in
:

In article ,
"Neil Gould" wrote:

Denying the theory of evolution is not necessarily anti-science.

I can't see how it isn't.

OK. then we'll just have to disagree

As long as you're clear that you're disagreeing with everyone who
knows what science is...

(All the chosen who know "what science is" agree on all theories, eh?)

Since I, in fact, know what science is, are you trying to say that I
disagree with myself?


Your newtonian argument is pretty much proof that you do not understand
science.


Bertie

Bob Noel wrote in
:

In article 96cgj.955$hS.113@trnddc08, "John Mazor"
wrote:

[snip]
Your Newtonian example is frequently used in an attempt to undermine
the theory of
evolution, but it's just a version of requiring science to prove a
negative. "Science was
mistaken about Newtonian mechanics governing all motion, so now prove
that its rejection
of ID isn't also wrong."

please please PLEASE note that I wasn't running down the ID path.

My discussion of Newtonian physics was merely an example of how
scientific understanding changes (hopefully improves) over time.


Ah, OK, fair enough. I hereby retract what I said in my other post..

Bertie