Rumsfeld's on Bravery

"phil hunt" wrote in message
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How about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3230206.stm?


I said I don't see much condemnation of the radical element from the
majority, I didn't say I saw none.

In article ,
"weary" wrote:

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
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weary wrote:

Brings to mind another who when discussing the threat of insurgents to
his
troops said "Bring them on", but when he went to the same location he
slunk
in and out under cover of darkness like a thief.

And don't forget Roosevelt sneaking off to meet with Churchill in
the north Atlantic?

Those cowardly American Presidents!

Dont't try to put words in my mouth. I wasn't generalising, I was being
specific.

Specifically wrong, too.

Kevin Brooks wrote:
IIRC his service was just after the Korean Conflict. That said, it
takes a decent pair to land a high performance aircraft on a pitching
and rolling deck IMO.

Without getting into debates about his personal bravery, I've been trying to
figure out exactly what Rumsfeld did fly. He's mentioned flying S2Fs in the
reserves, and he was a flight instructor after completing flight school
(SNJs or maybe T-28s, right?). But despite several biographies calling him a
Navy fighter pilot, I can't find any reference to him flying a specific type
of fighter.

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"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message
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Kevin Brooks wrote:
IIRC his service was just after the Korean Conflict. That said, it
takes a decent pair to land a high performance aircraft on a pitching
and rolling deck IMO.

Without getting into debates about his personal bravery, I've been trying
to
figure out exactly what Rumsfeld did fly. He's mentioned flying S2Fs in
the
reserves, and he was a flight instructor after completing flight school
(SNJs or maybe T-28s, right?). But despite several biographies calling him
a
Navy fighter pilot, I can't find any reference to him flying a specific
type
of fighter.

I am not sure it matters. Don't (or maybe now the operative word is
"didn't") all fixed wing naval aviators go through carrier quals as part of
their flight training before moving on to their specialty airframes,
whatever they may be?

Brooks


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Tom Schoene

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message
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I am not sure it matters. Don't (or maybe now the operative word is
"didn't") all fixed wing naval aviators go through carrier quals as part of
their flight training before moving on to their specialty airframes,
whatever they may be?

I believe that you're right. I think I read somewhere that carrier
qualification was a prerequisite for the initial award of the USN pilot's
rating.

George Z.

Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message
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Kevin Brooks wrote:
IIRC his service was just after the Korean Conflict. That said, it
takes a decent pair to land a high performance aircraft on a
pitching and rolling deck IMO.

Without getting into debates about his personal bravery, I've been
trying to figure out exactly what Rumsfeld did fly.
[snip]
I am not sure it matters. Don't (or maybe now the operative word is
"didn't") all fixed wing naval aviators go through carrier quals as
part of their flight training before moving on to their specialty
airframes, whatever they may be?

Which is why I said "without getting into" the bravery issue. I'm just
curious what planes he flew. Call it a matter of historical interest.


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"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:14:00 GMT, "weary" wrote:


"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
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weary wrote:

Brings to mind another who when discussing the threat of insurgents
to
his
troops said "Bring them on", but when he went to the same location he
slunk
in and out under cover of darkness like a thief.

And don't forget Roosevelt sneaking off to meet with Churchill in
the north Atlantic?

Those cowardly American Presidents!

Dont't try to put words in my mouth. I wasn't generalising, I was being
specific.


SMH


No, you were being an idiot, and you still are.

I know I've made the point when I get personal abuse.

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"weary" wrote in message
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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
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weary wrote:

Brings to mind another who when discussing the threat of insurgents
to
his
troops said "Bring them on", but when he went to the same location
he
slunk
in and out under cover of darkness like a thief.

And don't forget Roosevelt sneaking off to meet with Churchill in
the north Atlantic?

Those cowardly American Presidents!

Dont't try to put words in my mouth. I wasn't generalising, I was being
specific.

Specifically off-target, you mean...

No I know I hit the target. The same one that displayed his courage
when Sept 11 happened.

weary wrote:
"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"weary" wrote in message
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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
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weary wrote:


Brings to mind another who when discussing the threat of insurgents

to

his

troops said "Bring them on", but when he went to the same location

he

slunk

in and out under cover of darkness like a thief.

And don't forget Roosevelt sneaking off to meet with Churchill in
the north Atlantic?

Those cowardly American Presidents!

Dont't try to put words in my mouth. I wasn't generalising, I was being
specific.

Specifically off-target, you mean...

No I know I hit the target. The same one that displayed his courage
when Sept 11 happened.

Your "targets" seem to be moving.

Where you expecting the President of the United States to be
involved in the rescue attempts of 9/11? Was not being involved
with them an act of cowardess?

Should the President have arrived in Baghdad with an accompanying
band and a motorcade? Why would Roosevelt not be cowardly being
so secretive in the face of the U boat dangers of the time? Pretty
similar to the conditions for the Bush trip to Baghdad actually.

Bush may be a coward. Can't really say. But if I was so concerned
with my health in the face of real danger, I'd just pass up the
trip to Iraq altogether.


SMH

"weary" wrote in message
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:14:00 GMT, "weary" wrote:


"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
...
weary wrote:

Brings to mind another who when discussing the threat of insurgents
to
his
troops said "Bring them on", but when he went to the same location he
slunk
in and out under cover of darkness like a thief.

And don't forget Roosevelt sneaking off to meet with Churchill in
the north Atlantic?

Those cowardly American Presidents!

Dont't try to put words in my mouth. I wasn't generalising, I was being
specific.


SMH


No, you were being an idiot, and you still are.

I know I've made the point when I get personal abuse.

Exactly! It's one of the rules for survival on the Internet, i.e. - even when
you're wrong, when your supply of facts is depleted, feel free to draw on your
cache of invective. If that's really not one of the rules, then I've just made
one up. If it needs a name, call it "George's Rule". (^-^)))

George Z.