Protestor Damages Enola Gay

In article 8fsFb.173873$_M.793161@attbi_s54,
says...
jake wrote:

are you fixated on Cindy?

My messages? All the information comes from me and my Japanese friend.
When she and I get together, she has to tell me all this. She has lived
in the USA much longer than I have; therefore, she knows better.

behave yourself man!

I think he is a weak person ... mentally.

anyway if you call me a racist you dont know what a racist is..

Brojack..Keely and characters like this are racists..

To American people, everyone who criticizes Americans is racists.

What happened -- did Kaz spoof your ID? This is an incredibly
bigoted statement based on a generality about a whole nation of
people. Look up "stereotype" in your psychology textbook.

Stereotyping is unacceptable behaviour in any right-thinking culture.
There is nothing wrong with criticizing ethnocentric ity, but do so
on the basis of people's own personal behaviour, not for a behaviour
exhibited by others who you decide to include in their "class" or
group.

Verno

in article , jake at
wrote on 12/22/03 7:56 PM:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:48:14 +0900, Ernest Schaal
wrote:

in article , jake at
wrote on 12/22/03 5:23 PM:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:35:14 +0900, Ernest Schaal
wrote:

in article , jake at
wrote on 12/22/03 11:26 AM:


the US remade japan in their own image


Do you realize how racist that statement is?

nope..
race has nothing to do with the drive for cultural hegonomy

Sorry, but your bigotry is showing. You didn't state that there was a drive
for cultural hegemony. Instead you stated that US "remade japan in their own
image," which means that there is no separate Japanese identity that
remained. The only way that could occur (which it didn't, by the way) is
that the Asians do not have a strong culture and are easily malleable to be
molded as the US saw fit. That assumption is extremely insulting of Japan,
and Asian cultures in the whole, and shows your inherent racism against
Asian cultures.

yawn..
you are now arguing against your own straw men and figments..

my position is quite clear..there was a synthesis..
If you just want to troll around flaming folk thats your
perogative,,

just dont delude yourself it relates in any way to the discussion

I can understand your yawn. You don't seem to ignore anything that is not in
line with your deeply formed opinions.

I will gladly admit that you are much more bigoted than racist. Your hatred
of America takes on the forms of an obsession. Some say they aren't
anti-American, but simply anti-Bush and the acts of the current government,
but your tirades accuse much earlier governments and your tirades are so
outrageous that it shows a deep and bitter resentment against America as a
whole, rather than a present government.

I don't know the reasons for your deep hatred of America, but your messages
give some clues for possible reasons. For instance, in a recent reply to
Cindy you mentioned that in visiting the States you found it to be the most
racist nation, and in another message you admitted to knowing nothing of
Asian history except that which intersects with European history. That makes
me think that possibly you are one of the embittered fraction of continental
Europeans who bemoan the fact that, except for Britain, European culture has
been dwarfed by American and other cultures. It is possible that you are not
European, but that seems the more likely at this time.

Having said all that, I still see, within your blatant bigotry against
America, definite racist against Asians, based in large part on your
assumptions made about the Japanese.

jake wrote:


I did not find it so taboo in America..

Well, people are ambushing; awaiting to see you make *the* mistake.
Therefore, you got to watch what you're saying. There are some keywords
that you are not supposed to voice.

it is the most racist country I have ever been to and I have ravelled
the world some..

Since they are trying too hard not to be racial, their efforts turn out
to be a reverse effect. It ended up in making *everybody* feel
discriminated or neglected, even the majority.


yes there is hope ..
and when the enormity of the trick played on them sinks in
America will change..

I am sure Americans are proud of their glorious histories and good deeds
any time in the past; however, it is not quite right for them to think
that they are the same Americans as used to be, such as John Adams's
times. People are completely different by the time of the Government
because the Government is the morals and ethics guideline of the nation.


this next election will be important for the history of the world..
will they return to the fold of the civilized world and accept
the rule of law as other nations do...?

or will they descend further into barbarian behaviors and chaos..?

It shows that anyone can be the president in the USA, doesn't it?

--
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an
invisible government owing no allegiance and
acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To
destroy this invisible government, to befoul the
unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt
politics is the first task of the statesmanship of
today."

- Theodore Roosevelt, 19 April 1906

in article %mKFb.625278$Tr4.1618420@attbi_s03, Cindy at
wrote on 12/23/03 7:37 AM:

I am sure Americans are proud of their glorious histories and good deeds
any time in the past; however, it is not quite right for them to think
that they are the same Americans as used to be, such as John Adams's
times. People are completely different by the time of the Government
because the Government is the morals and ethics guideline of the nation.

If all Americans are so bad, why do you continue to live there? Do you lump
your husband in ALL Americans as bad too, or is it because of your problems
with your husband that you hate America so?

jake wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:48:14 +0900, Ernest Schaal
wrote:


in article , jake at
wrote on 12/22/03 5:23 PM:


On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:35:14 +0900, Ernest Schaal
wrote:


in article , jake at
wrote on 12/22/03 11:26 AM:



the US remade japan in their own image


Do you realize how racist that statement is?

nope..
race has nothing to do with the drive for cultural hegonomy

Sorry, but your bigotry is showing. You didn't state that there was a drive
for cultural hegemony. Instead you stated that US "remade japan in their own
image," which means that there is no separate Japanese identity that
remained. The only way that could occur (which it didn't, by the way) is
that the Asians do not have a strong culture and are easily malleable to be
molded as the US saw fit. That assumption is extremely insulting of Japan,
and Asian cultures in the whole, and shows your inherent racism against
Asian cultures.


yawn..
you are now arguing against your own straw men and figments..

See, in the middle of discussion, they suddenly lose their temper over
one phrase and start shouting the "R" words. It happens all the time,
so I've had enough with them. I tell you, Jake -- they don't change
their mind; they won't be persuaded. There is no wonder because they
believe they are the best; nothing mustn't beat them. So, it's
generally a waste of time. If I were a good American, I would let the
Japanese be -- like the Japanese let Americans be Americans during the
occupation period. However, I can't expect them to understand my
thought of reciprocal because people are different.


my position is quite clear..there was a synthesis..
If you just want to troll around flaming folk thats your
perogative,,

just dont delude yourself it relates in any way to the discussion

I think it's time for him to return to the USA too. I'll bet he will be
an excellent US Citizen too.

in article DXKFb.625521$Tr4.1617817@attbi_s03, Cindy at
wrote on 12/23/03 8:16 AM:

See, in the middle of discussion, they suddenly lose their temper over
one phrase and start shouting the "R" words. It happens all the time,
so I've had enough with them. I tell you, Jake -- they don't change
their mind; they won't be persuaded. There is no wonder because they
believe they are the best; nothing mustn't beat them. So, it's
generally a waste of time. If I were a good American, I would let the
Japanese be -- like the Japanese let Americans be Americans during the
occupation period. However, I can't expect them to understand my
thought of reciprocal because people are different.

Your American husband must have really done something to you? What did he
do, dump you for another woman?

Steve Sundberg wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:19:40 +0000, jake wrote:

The US introduced a nightmare


Um, not really. Have you not heard of "comfort women?"


Doesn't everybody know it?

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:55:49 GMT, Cindy wrote:

Steve Sundberg wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:19:40 +0000, jake wrote:

The US introduced a nightmare


Um, not really. Have you not heard of "comfort women?"

Doesn't everybody know it?

Apparently not.

Cindy wrote in message news:9AZFb.625801$HS4.4574232@attbi_s01...
Steve Sundberg wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:19:40 +0000, jake wrote:

The US introduced a nightmare


Um, not really. Have you not heard of "comfort women?"


Doesn't everybody know it?

Well, this is LeoLee we're talking about. He doesn't know anything. And
this whole thread is cross-posted, which decreases the IQ of every
poster by ten points anyway.