Change the rules for the National Guard.?

Tank Fixer wrote:
In article ,
on Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:59 -0500,
George Z. Bush am attempted to say .....

Tank Fixer wrote:
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on 21 Feb 2004 00:50:41 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....



He wasn't critisizing the guard for christsakes. He was critisizing those
weak bellied *******s who go there to hide. Y'know, the intellectually
bankrupt you are talking about.


So how about you stop characterizing anyone in the Guard that way ?

I don't think anyone is characterizing members of the Guard in that way these
days. They obviously are called upon and do their things quite often these
days right alongside and with their Reserve and Regular brethren.

However, things were a bit different 35 years ago, as those of us who are old
enough to have been around then can attest. Even then, it obviously would
not have been fair to paint the guys who volunteered to go to places where a
hot war was being fought with the same brush as those who signed up and said
they'd be available for crowd control duty if there was a riot in the state
capitol. Some members of the Guard, but certainly not all, used their Guard
membership as a means of trying to keep from being drafted for service in
those hot places. It wasn't rare, and it did happen.


I understand that, I wish Art could tell teh differance between the few
that used the Guard in that manner and those of the rest of us who serve
there out of the same sense of duty he had in the 1940's

I no longer share views with Art. I learned long ago that he had a streak of
intolerance in his makeup that interfered with most exchanges of logical thought
with just about anybody. I can read his war stories, which are usually well
done and interesting, but I can't discuss anything with him involving our
differing opinions. That's the way it is with him.

George Z.

Why are you so bent on denigrating those that still serve ?

Because he's a bitter old man that obviously isn't getting the personal
attention in the real world he feels he deserves. They say the last stages of
life are similar in all aspects to the first stages. Seems Art longs for some
praise and attention and feels the only way he can get is by telling *everyone*
else they stink. I haven't thought very highly of Art for sometime now, but
he's been going down hill fast since Christmas.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Thanks for understanding.. I don't get much around here. But at my age I
don't
give a damn. I'll say what I like whenever I like.When I was a kid I
volunteered for the Army Air Corps. Me and a million other guys. I was
called
up the day I was 18 and rushed ino training as the war raged. My greatest
fear
was that the war would end before I got there and I would miss the entire
thing. I had nothing to worry about. It seemed as though 15 minutes after
I was
called up I was 10,000 feet over Germany, which is exaclty where I wanted
to
be. I didn't join the guard. I didn't join the reserves.

Idiot. There was NO Guard for you to join--it had already been mobilized (in
toto) before you finished high school, and depending upon the date in
question, Guardsmen were already fighting and dying. The big mobilization in
1940 ring a bell?


I wanted to go to war
so I joined the Army Air Corp. Back then the reserve and the guard were
pathetic jokes and laughing stocks for all of us.

Really? Was the 116th Infantry a "pathetic joke" at Normandy? How about the
elements of the 32nd ID in the southwest pacific campaigns? "Bloody Buna"
ring a bell?

As I have said before, if you
want to go to war, then go to war and don't hand us this reserve or
National
Guard stuff. Tell a member of the 101st fighting for his life at Bastogne
what
a great job the reserve is doing to defend our country sitting in the
USA
nice and safe while he may not live to see the end of this day.

It was bad enouigh that you were completely clueless in regard to the
activities of the modern reserve components, but that you were so badly
wrong as to the Guard/Reserve during your own war is unbelievable.

Brooks


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Tank Fixer wrote:
In article ,
on 21 Feb 2004 00:50:41 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....



He wasn't critisizing the guard for christsakes. He was critisizing
those
weak bellied *******s who go there to hide. Y'know, the intellectually
bankrupt you are talking about.


So how about you stop characterizing anyone in the Guard that way ?

I don't think anyone is characterizing members of the Guard in that way
these
days. They obviously are called upon and do their things quite often these
days
right alongside and with their Reserve and Regular brethren.

You don't? Art has not only critisized the Guard and Reserve members who are
serving in combat today, but also those who were mobilized and were in many
cases aleady in combat while he was going through his own ninety day wonder
course during WWII.

Brooks

Mr Kramer wrote:
I read what he said. Every word of it. Big deal. I am waiting for him to
tell
us how bad the flak was in the guard. Yeah, I know, war is hell.


Mr Kramer,
You are a bitter and obstinate old man. It is too bad that you have no
tolerance or understanding that the world changes and you have not kept up with
it.
Your lack of these traits causes me to question any of your stories.

Rick Clark

(BUFDRVR) wrote:
TankFixer wrote:

Why are you so bent on denigrating those that still serve ?

Because he's a bitter old man that obviously isn't getting the personal
attention in the real world he feels he deserves. They say the last stages of
life are similar in all aspects to the first stages. Seems Art longs for some
praise and attention and feels the only way he can get is by telling *everyone*
else they stink. I haven't thought very highly of Art for sometime now, but
he's been going down hill fast since Christmas.

Actually, he hit bottom around September when the final meltdown
occurred and came up with his cute "Autocollimator" imaginary RAM
playmate. Took me only a few days to figure out that Autocollimator
was really Kramer, but I figured it was only fitting to wait until
Halloween.....

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I am the great and
powerful OZ!"

And still you never answered my question, which shows me you don't
read or comprehend what was said...

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:16:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"fudog50" wrote in message
news
Ok Tarver,

You call me moron for my opinions about military personnel having to
deploy, now I'm a dip**** for biting at the bait you threw at me.

I was calling Kevin Brooks a moron by reposting your message.

First of all, resorting to namecalling is really immature.

It is your post calling someone a moron.

If I wrote to you that you knew nothing about a thread about your Service, I
doubt you would have been so generous as I was.

"OXMORON1" wrote

Your lack of these traits causes me to question any of your stories.

Rick Clark


Rick,

You've now realized the truth. Art's life ended in 1945. His brain stopped
working, and he has been on welfare ever since. He doesn't like any
President who is a Capitalist, and believes in freedom. He longs for
Roosevelt and a bigger New Deal, or a maybe a Johnson Great Society
program. One where he can keep golfing, and real men have to work
and young men and women have to fight overseas.

I don't see a question mark in your post.

"fudog50" wrote in message
news
And still you never answered my question, which shows me you don't
read or comprehend what was said...

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:16:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"fudog50" wrote in message
news
Ok Tarver,

You call me moron for my opinions about military personnel having to
deploy, now I'm a dip**** for biting at the bait you threw at me.

I was calling Kevin Brooks a moron by reposting your message.

First of all, resorting to namecalling is really immature.

It is your post calling someone a moron.

If I wrote to you that you knew nothing about a thread about your
Service, I
doubt you would have been so generous as I was.

You must be reading the wrong one then because I counted
four....forget it.


On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:03:00 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

I don't see a question mark in your post.

"fudog50" wrote in message
news
And still you never answered my question, which shows me you don't
read or comprehend what was said...

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:16:45 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"fudog50" wrote in message
news Ok Tarver,

You call me moron for my opinions about military personnel having to
deploy, now I'm a dip**** for biting at the bait you threw at me.

I was calling Kevin Brooks a moron by reposting your message.

First of all, resorting to namecalling is really immature.

It is your post calling someone a moron.

If I wrote to you that you knew nothing about a thread about your
Service, I
doubt you would have been so generous as I was.