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Yes, kind of. It's such a fast, heavy airplane that we use yarn rather than
string. ;-) JB "S. Sampson" wrote in message news:2DSQb.6653$ce2.804@okepread03... "Jim Baker" wrote You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What airspeed do you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as required by the Dash One". Is the AOA indicator a piece of string like Wilbur and Orville had? There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross weights that every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must have an airspeed computed. That's in case the AOA indicator goes T.U. :-) |
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Good job JB, you compute an airspeed for the Bone. And so your point
is...*what* about landing the Harrier? "Jim Baker" wrote in message news You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What airspeed do you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as required by the Dash One". There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross weights that every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must have an airspeed computed. JB "Frijoles" wrote in message ink.net... Nozzles aft, Harrier approach speed will be in the 155kt +/-range. At 20 nozzles and auto flaps(normal for IFR final), you're somewhat slower but to be honest I don't recall the airspeed because my primary reference was always AoA. Depending on the type of landing you intend to make, once you're in the visual environment, you transition to a higher nozzle angle (60-75 depending...), and in some instances, STOL flaps where the flaps program automatically as a function of nozzle angle. "On speed" for a fixed-nozzle slow landing is around 110kts. The *very* slow rolling landings you occasionaly see are called rolling vertical landings -- 60 kts ground speed is the target but the transition to that speed will usually be over the runway, not on approach final. "Darkwing Duck" wrote in message ... "Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message s.com... Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast among civilian planes. So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know. |
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Sorry, I thought it was clear I was speaking about AoA to fly final and land
the Bone, as you said you use in the Harrier. "Frijoles" wrote in message ink.net... Good job JB, you compute an airspeed for the Bone. And so your point is...*what* about landing the Harrier? "Jim Baker" wrote in message news You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What airspeed do you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as required by the Dash One". There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross weights that every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must have an airspeed computed. JB "Frijoles" wrote in message ink.net... Nozzles aft, Harrier approach speed will be in the 155kt +/-range. At 20 nozzles and auto flaps(normal for IFR final), you're somewhat slower but to be honest I don't recall the airspeed because my primary reference was always AoA. Depending on the type of landing you intend to make, once you're in the visual environment, you transition to a higher nozzle angle (60-75 depending...), and in some instances, STOL flaps where the flaps program automatically as a function of nozzle angle. "On speed" for a fixed-nozzle slow landing is around 110kts. The *very* slow rolling landings you occasionaly see are called rolling vertical landings -- 60 kts ground speed is the target but the transition to that speed will usually be over the runway, not on approach final. "Darkwing Duck" wrote in message ... "Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message s.com... Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast among civilian planes. So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message news "IBM" wrote in message ... Back in 1968 my dad took us to Disneyland. We flew in to LAX and had some time before the bus left for our hotel. I wandered along outside the terminal and was watching the aircraft. Saw a 747 in action for the first time. I figured it was taxiing into position ... then it rotated. I think your family trip was a bit later than that. First flight of the B747 was February 9, 1969, it entered service in January 1970. They operated out of Vandenberg AFB for initial aircrew training in 1969. Quite possible they landed at LAX for training. |
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message news:6QTQb.55888$Xq2.3761@fed1read07... They operated out of Vandenberg AFB for initial aircrew training in 1969. Quite possible they landed at LAX for training. He said the family trip to Disneyland was in 1968. |
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Roger that...
I was ready to dig out my copy of the FARs dealing with powered lift . "Jim Baker" wrote in message ... Sorry, I thought it was clear I was speaking about AoA to fly final and land the Bone, as you said you use in the Harrier. "Frijoles" wrote in message ink.net... Good job JB, you compute an airspeed for the Bone. And so your point is...*what* about landing the Harrier? "Jim Baker" wrote in message news You're right Frijoles, in the Bone the correct answer for "What airspeed do you fly on final" is "I don't know/care. I'm flying 7 AoA as required by the Dash One". There is however, a chart of airspeed and gross weights that every pilot has and, IAW the Landing Checklist, every final must have an airspeed computed. JB "Frijoles" wrote in message ink.net... Nozzles aft, Harrier approach speed will be in the 155kt +/-range. At 20 nozzles and auto flaps(normal for IFR final), you're somewhat slower but to be honest I don't recall the airspeed because my primary reference was always AoA. Depending on the type of landing you intend to make, once you're in the visual environment, you transition to a higher nozzle angle (60-75 depending...), and in some instances, STOL flaps where the flaps program automatically as a function of nozzle angle. "On speed" for a fixed-nozzle slow landing is around 110kts. The *very* slow rolling landings you occasionaly see are called rolling vertical landings -- 60 kts ground speed is the target but the transition to that speed will usually be over the runway, not on approach final. "Darkwing Duck" wrote in message ... "Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message s.com... Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast among civilian planes. So how fast is short final in a F-14 or whatever? Always wanted to know. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Leadfoot" wrote in message news:6QTQb.55888$Xq2.3761@fed1read07... They operated out of Vandenberg AFB for initial aircrew training in 1969. Quite possible they landed at LAX for training. He said the family trip to Disneyland was in 1968. So IBM was lying, not any different than most of the trolls of ram. |
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"S. Sampson" wrote03...
Is the AOA indicator a piece of string like Wilbur and Orville had? No, but the yaw indicator on the F-14 is! |
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I've known generally what (the string) was for a long time but never
bothered to ask when it was referenced (primarily)? High alpha stuff? Landing pattern? Single engine would be an obvious case...anything else? More for "departure prevention," TF 30 "management" or both? "John R Weiss" wrote in message news:ZMXQb.146068$I06.1467724@attbi_s01... "S. Sampson" wrote03... Is the AOA indicator a piece of string like Wilbur and Orville had? No, but the yaw indicator on the F-14 is! |
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"Frijoles" wrote...
No, but the yaw indicator on the F-14 is! I've known generally what (the string) was for a long time but never bothered to ask when it was referenced (primarily)? High alpha stuff? Landing pattern? Single engine would be an obvious case...anything else? More for "departure prevention," TF 30 "management" or both? I never flew the Turkey, but probably all of the above. I flew gliders with them, and they replaced the turn balance ball -- "step on the knot". |
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