Mxs wins.

"rps" wrote in message
You're right that the newsgroups are public fora. However, when they
were started, people were supposed to abide by each newsgroup's
charter, though there would be no one to police such activity except
each forum's own contributors. The charters for the rec.aviation
newsgroups can be found at
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/aviation/faq/preamble.html.

The way I read it is he should start a moderated version.
rec.aviation.corncobupmyass.piloting.moderated.
I wonder how many members would contribute to that. He could have his own
exclusive members.

Blanche wrote:

A decade. Hm...that's when they started selling computers at
the grocery store. Pick your color and price, no need to read the
back of the box for the instructions.

Are you folks aware of the large number of newsgroup users who don't
know what Usenet is? There are more and more "web forums" that simply
display and post to Usenet with the user thinking it's a web forum.


Here's an example:

http://www.aviatorlive.com/thread/521799-MXSMANIC++-+The+posts+don't+add+up.html

"Blanche" wrote in message
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rps wrote:
This newsgroup has certainly deteriorated in the (nearly) decade that
I've been reading it (using this and other email addresses). If people
used the most appropriate newsgroups for their postings, the value of
the newsgroups increases for everyone. If people post blindly to
whichever newsgroup is most convenient or will provoke the most
reaction, the newsgroups lose value for us all. Sadly, it has lost
value for at least one of our contributors.

A decade. Hm...that's when they started selling computers at
the grocery store. Pick your color and price, no need to read the
back of the box for the instructions. And the bag boy/girl will even
carry it out to the car for you.

Have you notice how many of the big box computer stores even have
grocery carts now?



The entire phenomenon is known as "the September that never ended" and it
started when America Online opened to Usenet. The September part is based on
how there used to be a huge influx of internet users every September when
new students got access to their first internet connection at college.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Blanche wrote:

A decade. Hm...that's when they started selling computers at
the grocery store. Pick your color and price, no need to read the
back of the box for the instructions.

Are you folks aware of the large number of newsgroup users who don't know
what Usenet is? There are more and more "web forums" that simply display
and post to Usenet with the user thinking it's a web forum.


Here's an example:

http://www.aviatorlive.com/thread/521799-MXSMANIC++-+The+posts+don't+add+up.html



The thing is it would be VERY easy for the big USENET service providers to
not accept post from those sites. The problem is Google would just take up
the slack.

Blanche wrote:
rps wrote:
This newsgroup has certainly deteriorated in the (nearly) decade that
I've been reading it (using this and other email addresses). If people
used the most appropriate newsgroups for their postings, the value of
the newsgroups increases for everyone. If people post blindly to
whichever newsgroup is most convenient or will provoke the most
reaction, the newsgroups lose value for us all. Sadly, it has lost
value for at least one of our contributors.

A decade. Hm...that's when they started selling computers at
the grocery store. Pick your color and price, no need to read the
back of the box for the instructions. And the bag boy/girl will even
carry it out to the car for you.


No, I think that's a more recent phenomenon. I started reading this
newsgroup about a decade ago at around the same time I started getting
serious about flying and earned my instrument ticket. To my
recollection, there were no megastores that sold PCs around that time.
My first post to a newsgroup was in 1986, when I started using usenet
on a terminal connected to a network of VAXes ("vixen") and IBM 3/60s.
I started using computers in 1979 when I first learned to program and
logged into BBS's using 110bps modems.

On 23 Oct 2006 08:13:58 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in om:

using these stupid Google Groups (which I'm stuck using at the hotel),

Of course, that's not true. Martin will give you Usenet access on his
server, and there used to be free Usenet accounts available for
text-based newsgroups, IIRC.

using these stupid Google Groups (which I'm stuck using at the hotel),

Of course, that's not true. Martin will give you Usenet access on his
server, and there used to be free Usenet accounts available for
text-based newsgroups, IIRC.

I only have web access on our two DSL lines at the hotel. I have no
way to access email or newgroups directly, as a result. (I therefore
also must use the web to access my email -- which also drives me nuts.)


Are you saying there's another solution, short of upgrading our hotel's
internet service?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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using these stupid Google Groups (which I'm stuck using at the hotel),

Of course, that's not true. Martin will give you Usenet access on his
server, and there used to be free Usenet accounts available for
text-based newsgroups, IIRC.

I only have web access on our two DSL lines at the hotel.

That is highly unlikely. It would only be true if your DSL ISP was
filtering your Internet traffic, allowing only stuff on port 80 (and maybe
8080) through.

If I recall correctly, you offer Internet access to your customers through
the same DSL connection, and I guarantee you they would be having huge fits
if their Internet access was restricted to port 80.

I have no
way to access email or newgroups directly, as a result. (I therefore
also must use the web to access my email -- which also drives me nuts.)

As Larry said, Martin's already offered you newsgroup access. All you need
is an Internet connection (which you have), a user account on his server
(which Martin will provide), and the name of his server (which Martin also
can provide).

Ditto with email. I find it remarkable that your Internet connection comes
without ANY sort of email service, but it's not hard to find someone who can
provide that for you.

All that said, I suspect that you are incorrect about your assertion that
you don't have email or newsgroup access. In particular, you appear to be
using Mediacom as your Internet provider, and they DO include email and
newsgroup access. For email, you would use mail.mchsi.com (for both the POP
and SMTP servers), and for newsgroups you would use netnews.mchsi.com.
Login using your email user name and password.

Are you saying there's another solution, short of upgrading our hotel's
internet service?

I doubt you need to upgrade your hotel's Internet service even to get email
and newsgroups *through your own ISP*. But even if they aren't offering
those services to your account, they are available through other sources.
Newsgroups you already have an offer for free access, and email you can
probably mooch one if you ask.

Pete

Are you saying there's another solution, short of upgrading our hotel's
internet service?

I doubt you need to upgrade your hotel's Internet service even to get email
and newsgroups *through your own ISP*.

Our hotel DSL lines are provided by Qwest. Our ISP is Mediacom, a
cable-modem company (which we have at home). It would be an extra
charge each month for email and newsgroup access through Qwest at the
hotel -- times two DSL accounts -- which makes little sense if it's
just for me to screw around on Usenet between phone calls.... ;-)

Google Groups actually isn't half bad, once you get used to it. It
doesn't offer the same level of filtering as Outlook (Express), but
I've only kill-filed one person in my 8+ years here, so that doesn't
bother me. And the search features can be quite valuable.

Newsgroups you already have an offer for free access, and email you can
probably mooch one if you ask.

If we're talking about Martin Hotze, I don't recall him offering me
free access to anything. I could be wrong, of course.

Web-based email takes a bit getting used to, but after a while it's
kind of nice having your email stored on a central server that is
accessible from anywhere, rather than downloading your email onto your
computer, ala Outlook (Express).
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
I doubt you need to upgrade your hotel's Internet service even to get
email
and newsgroups *through your own ISP*.

Our hotel DSL lines are provided by Qwest. Our ISP is Mediacom, a
cable-modem company (which we have at home). It would be an extra
charge each month for email and newsgroup access through Qwest at the
hotel

So use your Mediacom accounts instead. I can use my email and newsgroup
accounts provided by my ISP from whatever Internet connection I choose. It
need not be my home DSL connection. I doubt your situation is different.

[...]
Google Groups actually isn't half bad, once you get used to it. It
doesn't offer the same level of filtering as Outlook (Express), but
I've only kill-filed one person in my 8+ years here, so that doesn't
bother me. And the search features can be quite valuable.

Hey, you're the one that called the "stupid Google Groups". Larry was just
trying to point out the error in your claim that you have no other
alternative.

If we're talking about Martin Hotze, I don't recall him offering me
free access to anything. I could be wrong, of course.

You are wrong. He did offer. Here's one post (there may be others):
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...dea2fc404af7aa

Web-based email takes a bit getting used to, but after a while it's
kind of nice having your email stored on a central server that is
accessible from anywhere, rather than downloading your email onto your
computer, ala Outlook (Express).

That's true. Most people who need access to email from multiple sources use
either web mail (as you do), or some other server-side solution (such as
Exchange), or they put their email message store on a USB drive so that they
can carry it with them from place to place. Any of those solutions work
fine.

If you are happy using web mail, then that's fine. The point is not that we
are trying to get you to switch. We are just trying to point out to you
that it's incorrect to claim that you don't have newsgroup or email access
from your hotel.

Pete