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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
Robert M. Gary wrote: wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: In Canada the ferry permit must be signed by a mechanic who has inspected the airplane and certified it "safe and fit for flight," which means it's safe enough but not in compliance with its type certificate and therefore not airworthy. In most cases only essential flight crew may be carried. In the U.S. its hard to get a ferry permit for "elevator smashed, reskinned in the field, structural repair done as well". Go find a copy of the movie Long Props, Big Rocks 2. Just came out not too long ago. See what they jury rigged together and flew out. |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... If you've got a small problem with your plane, do you bother with a ferry permit, or do you just fly it if you think it's safe? Hypothetical: Say your (shared) plane has gotten some damage, say for instance a wingtip strobe/nav light assembly got scraped off against a hangar while it was being towed. Say that the wires are secured with duct tape and the person who did the damage flew it home like that. Also say that the company that does the work on your plane isn't at your home airport. Would you wait for a good VFR day and fly it over to that company, or would you go through all the hassle of getting a local mechanic to inspect it and apply for a ferry permit? -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ "I have a step-ladder. It's a very nice ladder and all, but I wish I had the chance to get to know my real ladder." - Paula Poundstone Ferry permits are for planes that are not currently certified, e.g. not been inspected with a year. At least this is my understanding. Danny Dot www.mobbinggonemad.org |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
Danny Dot wrote: Ferry permits are for planes that are not currently certified, e.g. not been inspected with a year. At least this is my understanding. Not correct, it has nothing to do with the annual. A plane that is out of annual can get a ferry permit but being out of annual is not a prerequisite. |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
"Danny Dot" wrote in message ... Ferry permits are for planes that are not currently certified, e.g. not been inspected with a year. At least this is my understanding. Danny Dot www.mobbinggonemad.org Ferry permits are granted for aircraft that are otherwise unairworthy but have been deemed safe to fly under specific and limited guidelines. Being out of annual and need to be moved in order to receive an annual is just one reason. |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
Judah wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in oups.com: If the FAA finds out that the plane has not been properly maintained, they are obviously going to take action to ensure that the problem gets corrected. In reality, all the pilots who flew it in that condition may have violated FAA regulations. However, as a CFI, you are not only supposed to know how to determine if the plane was safe, you are also supposed to be training pilots how to do the same. If, after being chastised by the FAA, you STILL don't know what the problem was, or how to have detected it, I would be concerned that you do not take seriously your RESPONSIBILITY as a CFI to both your students and to the FAA. I guess that's me. I can't remember the last time I took an inspection panel off and noticed a lose bell crank on the aileron assembly. I can't remember the last time I checked the bolts that secure the seat to the plane. I think you have a *very* optimistic view of the FSDO. In this case, the FSDO had a beef with the FBO and wanted to scare CFIs away. -Robert, CFII |
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"Newps" wrote in message
... wrote: He would have, if the crank had busted or he'd lost part of that prop blade. Blades often crack when bent beyond certain angles-per-unit of blade span, and a cracked blade will often let go and leave the rest so unbalanced that the whole engine is torn from the airplane. CG moves way aft and it won't even glide. It has happened. Propeller bolts are known to crack, as well. And you *would* have cared, too, trying to explain to his widow and kids what you guys had been up to. You worry too much. Thank God you didn't have a non TSO bulb in the landing light. You would have crashed for sure. For the clue-impared among us: No I don't really mean that. I was being sarcastic. Again. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
oups.com: Judah wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in oups.com: If the FAA finds out that the plane has not been properly maintained, they are obviously going to take action to ensure that the problem gets corrected. In reality, all the pilots who flew it in that condition may have violated FAA regulations. However, as a CFI, you are not only supposed to know how to determine if the plane was safe, you are also supposed to be training pilots how to do the same. If, after being chastised by the FAA, you STILL don't know what the problem was, or how to have detected it, I would be concerned that you do not take seriously your RESPONSIBILITY as a CFI to both your students and to the FAA. I guess that's me. I can't remember the last time I took an inspection panel off and noticed a lose bell crank on the aileron assembly. I can't remember the last time I checked the bolts that secure the seat to the plane. I think you have a *very* optimistic view of the FSDO. In this case, the FSDO had a beef with the FBO and wanted to scare CFIs away. -Robert, CFII Maybe... FSDOs are run by people, and certainly not all people are reasonable. There used to be a guy at the local FSDO who was clearly just a ballbuster, and didn't really care about his job, about aviation, or about his responsibilty to the public. Certainly there are others like him out there, but I suspect that the FAA in general is not overrun with people like him. I also can't imagine that a FSDO inspector simply walked up to the plane and randomly opened an inspection panel and found a loose bell crank. Could it be that there was some other symptom that caused the inspector to draw his attention there? Perhaps this symptom should have been noticed by a pilot and especially a CFI? |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
Judah wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in oups.com: I also can't imagine that a FSDO inspector simply walked up to the plane and randomly opened an inspection panel and found a loose bell crank. Could it be that there was some other symptom that caused the inspector to draw his attention there? Perhaps this symptom should have been noticed by a pilot and especially a CFI? No, the FSDO does onsite inspections of all FBO's in the district at least once every two years. Sometimes its a paperwork inspection, other times they pick a couple of airplanes and disassemble them. I spoke with several FBOs about this and they had all had this inspection done at least once. Some did better than others. At some point I think the FSDO is going to require all CFI's to have a valid IA certificate before they can instruct. -Robert |
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Get a ferry permit, or just fly it?
"Newps" wrote in message ... Danny Dot wrote: Ferry permits are for planes that are not currently certified, e.g. not been inspected with a year. At least this is my understanding. Not correct, it has nothing to do with the annual. A plane that is out of annual can get a ferry permit but being out of annual is not a prerequisite. Thanks for the information. I gather if the plane is in annual, but "damaged" the rules state the pilot in command makes a decision if the plane is air worthy???? Danny Dot www.mobbinggonemad.org |
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