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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was when **** started happening? I believe the mode C showed him maxing out at about 3200 MSL at 3+ minutes into the flight. That would seem to be right with a 200 knot max glide rate sink of about 1000 fpm and a 6 to 7 minute take-off to landing time. Jim |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 17, 2:54*pm, (Jeff none) wrote:
1 of the passengers said something about seeing birds flying by before the landing. Although the pilot did an excellent job I wouldn't call it a "landing", more like a ditching maybe? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"RST Engineering" wrote in message ... Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was when **** started happening? I believe the mode C showed him maxing out at about 3200 MSL at 3+ minutes into the flight. That would seem to be right with a 200 knot max glide rate sink of about 1000 fpm and a 6 to 7 minute take-off to landing time. Jim Probably a moot point now anyway, haven't they established he landed gear up? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
They established that two days ago.
Jim -- "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message ... Probably a moot point now anyway, haven't they established he landed gear up? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 17, 2:17*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have time or power to lift it. That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have "MX" in their names. Oh really, and how do you figure that. From the photo of the plane as it approached the river and the fact that he was above 3,000 ft, when the birdstrike occured. I know your aviation knowlege is practically nil, but an airline usually retracts their gear by then, just so you know. Any idea what his altitude was when sh** started happening? About 3,400 ft, according to http://www4.passur.com/lga.html. Any more stupid questions, MX? Ricky |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Tech Support wrote:
He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for a lifetime career. Coming up short @ TEB would have been Ug-ly! |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! -- ah |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. What-ho, Squiffy? -- ah |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"RST Engineering" wrote in
m: One of the things that helped him make that decision was that he had hundreds, if not thousands of "dead stick landings" as a flight instructor, glider. Jim CFIG Well, I wouldn't say there was much of a decision to be made, myself. no thrust and all that. Glider instructor woudl have helped him control the airplane OK. Was chattin with an A320 driver last night and he told me the airplane's flight controls would have gone into a a law that the crew weren't used to as a result of the power loss ( unless they hade the APU running which is not likely) making the handling less than intuitive for him. Bertie |
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