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Which is of course rubbish - everyone thought the Phillipines would be
hit - and oh look - they were, along with many other places. So how could PH be the only possible target.period? If you are decided to allow that to happen you can always find a way to ignore or discredit your own military intelligence personels' professional judgement. What else should be done to convict Washington that Pearl Harbor attack was imminent? Maybe Hirohito should have testified before US Congress and swear god that they were about to attack Pearl Harbor? I am sure even if Hirohito had appeared before Congress and officialy warned US,FDR would still find a way to ignore the warning. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... As a result Kimmel and Short were sent a message that began "This is to be considered a war warning" They also added that Pearl Harbor was only possible target.period. 1) They didnt 2) It clearly wasnt since bothWake and the Phillipines were attacked as expected So which is it ? Did he try to contact people or do nothing Do you think that Navy and Army units in Pasific were alerted and waiting for Japanase to attack? Alerted yes Ready no Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired. Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up, all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it. Hardly a blueprint of the Pearl Harbor attack plan. You could only say that if officers of US military intelligence had NOT told to their superiors cleary "Target is Pearl Harbor" but they did say exactly that since Nov,28. They send a message to Pearl Harbor on Nov 28th which began "This is to be considered a war warning" This message instructed the commanders at Pearl to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were fired. So since Nov,28 they knew the target thanks to work of a few men. Cite please, the Japanese navy didnt get final approval until Nov 3 Since their superiors did not respond to their warnings one of them,Thurman,sidestepped the line of command and personaly went all way up to White House,with very clear warning of japanase attack with the name of the target "Pearl Harbor". No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th part of the Japanese message which contained no atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact. For you I'm sure thats true. Put the blame on Guetenberg and also countless creators of the " Information Age". No just liars. Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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1) They didnt
This is the whole point .according to the Government they did not,according to the Intelligence officers they did and they did it repeately. On eve of Pearl Harbor attact,even during a secret White House meeting they discussed their Pearl Harbor specific information. But of course White House denies even this meeting!. Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired. Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up, all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it. This message instructed the commanders at Pearl to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were fired. They needed scapegoats to cover their acts otherwise you might be forced to think the unthinkable,namely the bringing FDR and Marshall to the Justice for treason. As far as I know even US Congress found Kimmel at no fault and accepted revisionistic version of events,but its ,like saying now "Spain had nothing to with Maine",namely too late . The luring Japanase to attack Pearl Harbor,in other words "Pearl Harbor trap" worked well. I couple of Military intelligence officers could have ruined eveything but they were not allowed to do so. No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th part of the Japanese message which contained no atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact. Yeah right!. No just liars. Iraqi WMDs for example? |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... 1) They didnt This is the whole point .according to the Government they did not,according to the Intelligence officers they did and they did it repeately. On eve of Pearl Harbor attact,even during a secret White House meeting they discussed their Pearl Harbor specific information. But of course White House denies even this meeting!. A sekrit meeting with no evidence of course LOL Thats why Kimmel and Short were fired. Halsey on the other hand had a full CAP up, all his scouts out and had told Kimmel that if he saw as much as a Sampan he'd sink it. This message instructed the commanders at Pearl to prepare for war, they failed to do so and were fired. They needed scapegoats to cover their acts otherwise you might be forced to think the unthinkable,namely the bringing FDR and Marshall to the Justice for treason. As far as I know even US Congress found Kimmel at no fault and accepted revisionistic version of events,but its ,like saying now "Spain had nothing to with Maine",namely too late . Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations are a matter of record. The luring Japanase to attack Pearl Harbor,in other words "Pearl Harbor trap" worked well. I couple of Military intelligence officers could have ruined eveything but they were not allowed to do so. No he didnt, he went to the White House with the 14th part of the Japanese message which contained no atatck plans at all, not even a declaration of war in fact. Yeah right!. No just liars. Iraqi WMDs for example? Nice attempt to change the subject but you've just proved how difficult cover up's really are. Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
... Subject: For Keith Willshaw... From: "Keith Willshaw" Date: 6/7/04 4:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Whatever happened to bubble and squeak? Its a bit passe these days but the older generation still cook it, my mother is an expert, and as an ex WW2 seems to remember the Yanks all too well Keith With some degree of fondness I hope. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer They still remember them fondly in New Zealand. This is from http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/...nkee-girl.html "New Zealand women were used to men who did not pay too much attention to female needs. In pre-war New Zealand, society had been highly segregated by gender. Many men felt easier in the company of the boys from the scrum or their mates in the bar. The visitors, however, had a charm which flattered. They doffed their hats, were openly appreciative of good looks, were concerned about a woman's comfort. Their talk had an optimism and easy confidence that were attractive. How pleasant was that phrase which flowed from their lips, 'Thank you, Ma'am'. It was not surprising that many Kiwi girls found themselves falling in love." Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations
are a matter of record. As no US president would sign these findings of Congress.(Even if I were the President I would not sign it.period. If you officially accept the fact that FDR and Washington establishment allowed the slaughtering of Americans in Pearl Harbor for the sake of long term national interests,every action of US establisment become suspicious. And more importantly no US Administration and agency would be able to conduct "vaccination" operations involving the deaths of US citizens in the future even if they were in long term interests of US. Nice attempt to change the subject but you've just proved how difficult cover up's really are. WMD issue is not the first lie of our "Great Leaders" to the public and it wont be the last either. But in information age lies do not last for forever. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... Incorrect, the findings of the 3 congressional investigations are a matter of record. As no US president would sign these findings of Congress.(Even if I were the President I would not sign it.period. You wouldnt be asked to - period. Keith |
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Presidents don't sign off on Congressional "findings."
Actually Congress passed a law and recommed exonoration of Kimmel This law was the result of the Congressional "findings". As far as I know Administration(s) is still dragging its feet. |
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