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Old October 3rd 03, 08:12 AM
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Roy Smith wrote:

One of the problems is that not every FSS has the same phone system.
Depending on where you get connected, you may have to press ONE, or STAR
ONE, or who knows what else to get connected to a human being.


Is that still the case? I thought they all have the same system since 2000. The STAR bit was incompatible with some cell phone providers.

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Old October 3rd 03, 01:44 PM
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Interesting. Soooo .. DUATS .. although it's an approved source for
preflight briefing doesn't contain all applicable information? I've had
specific instances where I printed out a preflight briefing from DUATS
and compared notes with a CFI who'd called FSS and I had stuff he
wasn't told. Are you refering to TFRs .. or all NOTAMS?



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"Roger Tracy" wrote in message

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Well .. I hope my butt is covered. I had a FSS guy tell me at a seminar
that DUATS has what they have.


Well he's incorrect.

And the published ones are at:
http://www1.faa.gov/NTAP/


The Published ones aren't so much of a problem.




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Old October 3rd 03, 05:32 PM
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I'm sure that's true with a TRACON. But, doesn't the center have a data
person that works with the FSS?


The Center has a D position, whether there's a person there or not is
another matter.


LOL, OK, that's true enough. But Center doesn't necessarily have a "data
person who works with the FSS" plugged in at any given ARTCC sector, and
these days probably doesn't.

Chip, ZTL



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Old October 6th 03, 02:41 PM
James M. Knox
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I very seldom use FSS these days, preferring DUATS. But every now and
then I either find myself without computer access, or needing something
that DUATS is not providing. [Last week I found myself looking at a
DUATS NOTAM that referenced an FDC NOTAM that it would *NOT* retrieve.
Called FSS, and it took them another 10 minutes to track it down...
never did really fidn the text. Sheesh... no wonder the NOTAM system is
a mess.]

Anyway, normally I get good results from FSS. But this weekend...

Landed IFR at a little uncontrolled airport. Standing out in the
pouring rain (so I could get a signal) I called FSS to close my flight
plan. Got through to a briefer and told her I needed to close my flight
plan. She took the information and said she would take care of it, just
a minute.

Five minutes later a different briefer answered the phone. Said the
first one had gone off duty (while I was on hold) and how could they
help. I said I needed to close my flight plan at 4F2 and get a void-
time clearance for another. After about another 5 minutes he assured me
that there WAS no airport at that designation, nor that city.

I tried to explain that there was a LOT of asphalt there if there was no
airport. G No luck. So I tried to explain that it was near GGG
(Longview TX), a significant airport that is an alternate for emergency
shuttle landings. He then informed me that there was NO airport by that
name either, nor any Longview Texas airport.

Now admittedly, this was the FSS for Midland, but next he was probably
going to tell me that DFW doesn't exist.

I finally gave up (and hung up), called an old DFW center number that I
remembered, who nicely patched me through to someone who recognized that
Texas had not recently suceeded from the union, and closed one flight
plan (now 30 minutes after I landed) and cleared me to depart on the
next.

Never had an FSS briefer as clueless as yesterday. Hope I don't have
another. I *hope* that either he or his equipment was just having a bad
day.


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Old October 6th 03, 03:23 PM
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"James M. Knox" wrote:

Now admittedly, this was the FSS for Midland, but next he was probably
going to tell me that DFW doesn't exist.


The 4F2 airport is in the area served by Ft. Worth FSS. I assume that you
dialed 1-800-WX-BRIEF on your cell phone and were connected to San Angelo
FSS because that's close to where your cell phone is registered.

That doesn't work very well. If you use a cell phone and you're outside of
your home area, you need the A/FD for your current location to look up the
discrete 866 number to ensure that you connect to the right FSS. The
generic WX-BRIEF number is only good from a landline and sometimes not then.
I've been erroneously connected the Hawthorne FSS from a pay phone at an
airport served by Riverside FSS.

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Old October 6th 03, 03:58 PM
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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If I was flying someplace where I expected to be out of radar
contact for a significant amount of time, I would probably be more
concerned about airways.


Yep. If you were going to be IFR out of radar contact in most airspace,
you'd have no choice *but* to be concerned with airways, because you would
be flying them exclusively.

Chip,ZTL


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Old October 6th 03, 04:18 PM
Mick Ruthven
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What difference should it make what FSS you get on the cell phone for
closing a flight plan? 4F2 is an airport in Texas from wherever the FSS is
located.

"Craig Prouse" wrote in message
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"James M. Knox" wrote:

Now admittedly, this was the FSS for Midland, but next he was probably
going to tell me that DFW doesn't exist.


The 4F2 airport is in the area served by Ft. Worth FSS. I assume that you
dialed 1-800-WX-BRIEF on your cell phone and were connected to San Angelo
FSS because that's close to where your cell phone is registered.

That doesn't work very well. If you use a cell phone and you're outside

of
your home area, you need the A/FD for your current location to look up the
discrete 866 number to ensure that you connect to the right FSS. The
generic WX-BRIEF number is only good from a landline and sometimes not

then.
I've been erroneously connected the Hawthorne FSS from a pay phone at an
airport served by Riverside FSS.



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Old October 6th 03, 04:33 PM
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"Mick Ruthven" wrote:

What difference should it make what FSS you get on the cell phone for
closing a flight plan? 4F2 is an airport in Texas from wherever the FSS is
located.


Your flight plan has been forwarded to the FSS that serves your destination.
What do you think, that you can just call up any FSS in the country and have
them close your flight plan for you? This is the FAA we're talking about.

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Old October 6th 03, 07:50 PM
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"Mick Ruthven" wrote in message
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What difference should it make what FSS you get on the cell phone for
closing a flight plan? 4F2 is an airport in Texas from wherever the FSS is
located.


Sure, but not every FSS knows what ATC facility/sector to call in order to
relay the IFR cancellation.


 




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