who uses FSS?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Sure, but not every FSS knows what ATC facility/sector to call in order to
relay the IFR cancellation.


So the burden is on me to figure out whom to contact.

Why can't the FS Specialist use the same resources I would have to use to figure
it out? I suppose he's sitting at a desk in an air-conditioned room with access
to all the FAA publications, right?

Dave

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"Craig Prouse" wrote in message
...
"Mick Ruthven" wrote:

What difference should it make what FSS you get on the cell phone for
closing a flight plan? 4F2 is an airport in Texas from wherever the FSS
is
located.

Your flight plan has been forwarded to the FSS that serves your
destination.
What do you think, that you can just call up any FSS in the country and
have
them close your flight plan for you? This is the FAA we're talking about.


????? You can't close a flightplan with *any* FSS regardless of destination
and the destination FSS? Why not?

Chip, ZTL

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Sure, but not every FSS knows what ATC facility/sector to call in order
to
relay the IFR cancellation.


So the burden is on me to figure out whom to contact.

I can't/don't believe this is correct.


Why can't the FS Specialist use the same resources I would have to use to
figure
it out?

He can and he will.



I suppose he's sitting at a desk in an air-conditioned room with access
to all the FAA publications, right?

Yep. And all of those FAA land lines, and all of those FAA commercial phone
numbers, and all of those national FAA organizational phonebooks etc. It
ain't rocket science either... with 20 ARTCC's and what, 60 AFSS or so to
choose from?

Chip, ZTL

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

"Mick Ruthven" wrote in message
m...

What difference should it make what FSS you get on the cell phone for
closing a flight plan? 4F2 is an airport in Texas from wherever the FSS
is
located.


Sure, but not every FSS knows what ATC facility/sector to call in order to
relay the IFR cancellation.


Maybe not every FSS specialist knows what ATC facility/sector to call, but
damn sure every FSS has both the ways and the means to *easily* figure out
what ATC facility to call, and to make that call. Every ARTCC in the United
States has a watch desk that is open 24 hours a day with land line
capability to every other ARTCC, the ATCSCC and every little tracon, tower
and FSS within every state that even a part of the ARTCC covers. All FSS
has to do is call the ARTCC
to relay the cancellation and it is done. Can't figure out which ARTCC owns
an airport? Call the ATCSCC...

Chip, ZTL

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
k.net...

????? You can't close a flightplan with *any* FSS regardless of
destination
and the destination FSS? Why not?


Because not every FSS knows what ATC facility/sector to call in order to
relay the IFR cancellation.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...

So the burden is on me to figure out whom to contact.


Do you think someone else should bear the burden of cancelling your IFR
clearance?



Why can't the FS Specialist use the same resources I would have to use to
figure
it out?


He probably can, but why can't you use those resources? The first thing the
FSS specialist would have to do is figure out where 4F2 is, information you
should already have if you just completed a trip there. Then he'd have to
look up the field in the A/FD and determine what FSS to call, something you
should already know since you recently planned a trip there.


I suppose he's sitting at a desk in an air-conditioned room with access
to all the FAA publications, right?


Well, he's probably in an air-conditioned building that has all the
publications, but he's probably tied to a position and may not have ready
access to them.

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
k.net...

Maybe not every FSS specialist knows what ATC facility/sector to call, but
damn sure every FSS has both the ways and the means to *easily* figure out
what ATC facility to call, and to make that call. Every ARTCC in the
United
States has a watch desk that is open 24 hours a day with land line
capability to every other ARTCC, the ATCSCC and every little tracon, tower
and FSS within every state that even a part of the ARTCC covers. All FSS
has to do is call the ARTCC
to relay the cancellation and it is done. Can't figure out which ARTCC
owns
an airport? Call the ATCSCC...


Did you take a shot to the head recently?

Chip Jones wrote:

????? You can't close a flightplan with *any* FSS regardless of destination
and the destination FSS? Why not?

It's not that you absolutely can't get your flight plan closed if you call
the wrong facility. You could call the ATCT in Anchorage and ask them to
close your flight plan, and it would probably get closed. It's just not the
most expeditious way to get it done. Depending on the mood of the person
taking your call, you might even get an irritated tone of voice and a
lecture about calling the correct FSS. I don't need the aggravation. If I
just look up the right phone number, everything goes more smoothly.

"Craig Prouse" wrote in message
...

It's not that you absolutely can't get your flight plan closed if you call
the wrong facility. You could call the ATCT in Anchorage and ask them to
close your flight plan, and it would probably get closed. It's just not
the
most expeditious way to get it done.


Not the most expeditious is putting it mildly, especially when you consider
that the needed information is available to the pilot in the documents the
FAA publishes for flight planning purposes.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
k.net...

Maybe not every FSS specialist knows what ATC facility/sector to call,
but
damn sure every FSS has both the ways and the means to *easily* figure
out
what ATC facility to call, and to make that call. Every ARTCC in the
United
States has a watch desk that is open 24 hours a day with land line
capability to every other ARTCC, the ATCSCC and every little tracon,
tower
and FSS within every state that even a part of the ARTCC covers. All
FSS
has to do is call the ARTCC
to relay the cancellation and it is done. Can't figure out which ARTCC
owns
an airport? Call the ATCSCC...


Did you take a shot to the head recently?


You mean other than liquid? No- you?

Chip, ZTL