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X-no-archive: yes
In article , Martin Gregorie writes I'm certain there are hang overs from the old days, but under the current rules you can do the distance with an uncalibrated barograph and witnesses to the take-off and landing. The barograph is only there to make sure you didn't get a relight along the way. That is just the point! The soaring performance is just as valid if it is done with a Flight Recorder or with Camera & Barograph. The rules have to allow for both. Declarations: It is the last declaration before Takeoff that is the only valid declaration, It does not matter if it is a Paper Declaration or an Electronic Declaration, both do/should have a Time/date stamp (but make sure that any paper declaration has the time zone as well as the time), and the latest one is the one and only true declaration. If you happen to declare something inadvertently by a bad attack of button pushing, then you have only yourself to blame. It would seem from the experience of the originator of this thread that at least part of the failure was due to his peers not giving sufficient instruction on the do's and Don'ts required to verify the flight. There is a basic assumption that a pre-silver pilot (except Al) does not have an in depth understanding of the requirements and it is up to whoever briefs him/her on the flight to advise on who preparations to make. If you get it wrong on a Silver attempt (which is fairly easy to do again) you should learn how to get it right for more difficult flights. Tim Newport-Peace "Indecision is the Key to Flexibility." |
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At 16:48 09 July 2003, Mark James Boyd wrote:
snip If you think the 50km undeclared flight to a landing is wrong and would like this eliminated, I'd understand, and this would make the rules consistent. Then there is a goal flight required in the Silver just like the Gold (which very specifically says pre-declared O&R or triangle). Are you saying that the 300km straight distance flight no longer qualifies for gold distance? The last sentence above describes a diamond goal flight as well as a gold distance flight. |
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Running out of memory is from the %^&** pilot not clearing the memory before the flight. I set it for 9 second intervals and get 24 hours or so I think. So make sure the logger doesn't have any courses in it, make sure you have enough battery power for the flight (or seperate power source), and make sure you've cleared the memory so there is some for the flight. Surprisingly complex, not just a "turn it on and everything will be fine" deal. I can't wait for eTrex or Garmin to make one with oooodles of memory, doesn't use much battery, uses WAAS so no calibration, and has a good interface (that doesn't auto-declare either). Oh and does .igc real well. And costs $200. |
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:15:05 -0700, "Al"
wrote: Thats part of it Mark. At the end of the day you fly for your own satisfaction. If getting badges is your bag baby then so be it. Mine is just the shear fun excitement and fear involved in long distance flying with a bit of Acro thrown in for fun. Al I am perpetually amazed at how the speech enabled chimpanzees of Sol III keep erecting artifical hoops for themselves to jump through. Most of these hoops have little to do with the real task at hand. It's as if the physical universe isn't difficult enough as it is. Mike |
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aren't electronics fun... just do it the old fashion way.. with cameras and
baro.. can't help a baro spring breaking during calibration.. Sh%% happens.. your crew finding you at the remote airport is not a "landing witness"?? hmmm BT "Mark James Boyd" wrote in message ... I really think that a pilot who flies from release to a point more than 50km away should get Silver distance (as long as that point meets the altitude loss requirements). I also think it's probably so hard to falsify an .IGC file that verifying the logger and the pilot are in the plane for takeoff can be an alternate method instead of needing a landing witness. My first Silver badge attempt flew to an airport 55km away. Circled for an hour waiting for the tow/retrieve pilot to show up and witness the landing. Sent in the paperwork, sent the baro for calibration. Baro spring broke during calibration. Couldn't calibrate. Second attempt Volklogger auto-declared some random course for me. Invalidated previous declaration on paper. Flew 5+ hours, furthest point was 80+ km away. Came back and landed. Sent in paperwork. Got altitude and duration only, no distance. (Fortunately the logger altimeter calibrated fine). Third attempt It was the day after the 5 hour flight. Figured out how to declare electronically. Got off tow, flew the out and return total over 160+ km. Didn't have a landing witness. Apparently towpilot verifying the logger is in the glider and then towing and releasing is not enough. Fourth attempt Took off for an out and return of 300km. Made it halfway, then started back and landed out about 60+ km from off tow. Since I got off tow at 2800, despite hovering over the landout at 5000 for a while, at landing there was too much altitude loss. No Silver distance. Fifth attempt Plugged the logger in, then got the declaration signed. Flew a 120km+ triangle just as declared, including 10K+ altitude gain. Since the more recent declaration (written) counted and the flight was completed, and one leg was greater than 50km, it counted for silver distance. Observer watched the landing (but had to wait around to witness it). Does this seem a little complex? |
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I got my Silver about a week ago at AirSailing x-c camp in Nevada.
There's no fancy equipment in my LS-4, so I did it the old fashioned way with a barograph, official observer, etc. Meeting all the requirements seemed important, so I put some energy into getting them right. I'd like to say the distance/altitude was a piece of cake, but I was flying a good glider in good conditions -- not everyone is so fortunate. I suppose as xcountry flights go, the Silver is a baby step, but for a low time pilot like myself, it was a big deal. I think Silver is really about cutting the aprion strings to Mother Airport -- I know there was a lump in my throat as I made the big leap across Highway 80. From there on, I was amazed at how easy it was. The 5.5 hour flight gave me a pain in my right arm (from tight thermalling), a lot of time to appreciate the high desert country, and a tremendous sense of satisfaction when I came down. When I first started flying I thought badges were stupid, but I no longer feel that way. Badges are good clear markers along the route to becoming a competent pilot. They help to tell you where you are (so long as you don't get hung up on that). I don't fly for badges, but I like to fly with something concrete in mind, and sometimes that's a badge. Flying seems completely different to me after completing Silver. It's not that I'm a good x-country pilot (I'm not), but I'm heading off in a new direction with a lot of fascinating new stuff to master, and I've got a big enthusiasm for it. |
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check out www.lvcm.com/btiz for a Silver Cross country and a Gold Distance
Attempt (Jean to Lone Pine) BT "Matt Herron" wrote in message om... I got my Silver about a week ago at AirSailing x-c camp in Nevada. There's no fancy equipment in my LS-4, so I did it the old fashioned way with a barograph, official observer, etc. Meeting all the requirements seemed important, so I put some energy into getting them right. I'd like to say the distance/altitude was a piece of cake, but I was flying a good glider in good conditions -- not everyone is so fortunate. I suppose as xcountry flights go, the Silver is a baby step, but for a low time pilot like myself, it was a big deal. I think Silver is really about cutting the aprion strings to Mother Airport -- I know there was a lump in my throat as I made the big leap across Highway 80. From there on, I was amazed at how easy it was. The 5.5 hour flight gave me a pain in my right arm (from tight thermalling), a lot of time to appreciate the high desert country, and a tremendous sense of satisfaction when I came down. When I first started flying I thought badges were stupid, but I no longer feel that way. Badges are good clear markers along the route to becoming a competent pilot. They help to tell you where you are (so long as you don't get hung up on that). I don't fly for badges, but I like to fly with something concrete in mind, and sometimes that's a badge. Flying seems completely different to me after completing Silver. It's not that I'm a good x-country pilot (I'm not), but I'm heading off in a new direction with a lot of fascinating new stuff to master, and I've got a big enthusiasm for it. |
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