If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
YANK CHILD ABUSERS :: another reason to kill americans abroad ???
Listen, ASSHOLE, I'm as ****ed off at this Marine as any normal person would
be, but for you to start generalizing and say to just go around killing ANY American abroad is ****ed up.......... REMEMBER...........If it weren't for the USA, you people would be speaking German...... |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
|
#3
|
|||
|
|||
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
... "William Black" wrote: :If the boneheaded idiots kill a UK citizen after one of thses kangaroo :courts on Cuba it'll poison US/UK relations for a generation. I don't need to. They are British citizens, and are entitled to the protections accorded to British citizens. As the US government now seems to have realised. If they put British citizens on trial for their lives and don't allow them the rights they're entitled to (choice of lawyers, confidentiality, right of cross examination, testing of evidence and etc) then any British government is going to have real problems doing anything alongside the people who did that. Let me get this The British have there knickers in serious a knot because a couple british subjects are being held and maybe tried... But the US is supposed to be fully ok with the ANTI-American ICC? Jim |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
wrote in message thlink.net... "Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... In message , Fred J. McCall writes Who's being executed without a fair trial? You should take something for those hallucinations. Which US citizens are subject to the Gitmo rules? None? Point proved. Why does the US have to exempt its own citizens from the claimed routine? Because being a citizen they are gurenteeded the constitutions protection, it isn't an issue of terrotioial jusrtiction. being a citizens gives the constitution jusrisdiction. :In my mind it makes Bush little better than Bib Laden, and Bush :supporters little better than Al Qaeda terrorists. See what I mean? Lord knows what unreality you're going to vomit forth next. How many US citizens are detained in Guantanamo? None? Well in case you didn't figure it out, an american wouldn't fall under the GC accords protection from the american goverment, when apprehended by the americian army once there citizen ship is know they are protected by the U.S. Constitution. Duh Jim |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
"Tim Mellor" wrote in message
om... Fred J. McCall wrote in message . .. David Evans wrote: These men will not be allowed to choose their defence council. They and their council will not hear the prosecution case and thus be unable to defend against it. Excuse me, everything I have read indicate they are being treated reasonabl;y well. All that is required is food, water, hygene, medical attention, and exercise. disgracefully and almost certainly tortured to produce such "evidence". Showing you ignorance. The most effective moderan methiod for extracting information employes psychology, not bamboo shoots under the nails. Physical touture is actually consided counter-productive. Jim |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
In message , Jim writes
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... Point proved. Why does the US have to exempt its own citizens from the claimed routine? Because being a citizen they are gurenteeded the constitutions protection, it isn't an issue of terrotioial jusrtiction. being a citizens gives the constitution jusrisdiction. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" Where's the "but only as long as they are citizens of the United States" exemption? How many US citizens are detained in Guantanamo? None? Well in case you didn't figure it out, an american wouldn't fall under the GC accords protection from the american goverment, _None_ of the detainees are protected by the GCs, Jim. The US Government has decided that "because we say so" is sufficient to deny GC protection. It's just that it seems the US decided that being captured out of uniform, armed, and fighting against the US _wasn't_ enough to make Lindh an "unlawful combatant"... and the only difference between him and any other detainee is his nationality. "Duh" yourself. -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... In message , Jim writes "Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... Point proved. Why does the US have to exempt its own citizens from the claimed routine? Because being a citizen they are gurenteeded the constitutions protection, it isn't an issue of terrotioial jusrtiction. being a citizens gives the constitution jusrisdiction. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" Where's the "but only as long as they are citizens of the United States" exemption? How many US citizens are detained in Guantanamo? None? Well in case you didn't figure it out, an american wouldn't fall under the GC accords protection from the american goverment, _None_ of the detainees are protected by the GCs, Jim. The US Government has decided that "because we say so" is sufficient to deny GC protection. It's just that it seems the US decided that being captured out of uniform, armed, and fighting against the US _wasn't_ enough to make Lindh an "unlawful combatant"... and the only difference between him and any other detainee is his nationality. "Duh" yourself. Actually he plead guilty to a lesser charge. He did so as i understand it under the threat that they might charge him with treason. Treason is one of the few crimes that carry the death penalty. Jim is in federial jail |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
In message , Jim writes
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ... It's just that it seems the US decided that being captured out of uniform, armed, and fighting against the US _wasn't_ enough to make Lindh an "unlawful combatant"... and the only difference between him and any other detainee is his nationality. "Duh" yourself. Actually he plead guilty to a lesser charge. He got charged? His charges were made public? More than any of the other detainees ever got. What _are_ they accused of? As a hint, "being bad men" isn't a recognised offence in most quarters. He did so as i understand it under the threat that they might charge him with treason. Treason is one of the few crimes that carry the death penalty. Under US law, which explicitly doesn't apply to the Gitmo detainees. Why wasn't Lindh left there to be punished along with his allies? Why does US law apply to him and _only_ him? -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
"Jim" wrote in message ... In America an American Citizen has the constitutions protection due to being a citizen. He was treated differently because he was a American citizen. I will note that this isn't exactly Actually the constitutional rules on trials apply to everyone on US soil. A US judge decided that the US base isn't part of the USA, although where it is and who's laws run there wasn't stated, except it certainly isn't Cuba's... This whole thing stinks, and everybody knows it. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
"William Black" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... In America an American Citizen has the constitutions protection due to being a citizen. He was treated differently because he was a American citizen. I will note that this isn't exactly Actually the constitutional rules on trials apply to everyone on US soil. A US judge decided that the US base isn't part of the USA, although where it is and who's laws run there wasn't stated, except it certainly isn't Cuba's... This whole thing stinks, and everybody knows it. -- William Black Nope, Court has rules some rights aren't convieghed to Non-citizens. Jim |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|