Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

On Jun 21, 4:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

As I've said, I discuss aviation in all sorts of venues, not just on USENET.

So pray tell, share with us your so called sources since you are not a
pilot, not a CGI and pretend to be something you are not?

Or are they also simulated discussions with sources like MSFS?

On Jun 21, 4:26*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time.

FOR THE RECORD, YOU SIMULATE FLYING.

BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIMULATING FLYING AND FLYING A REAL PLANE.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets is
expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.
--
JohnT

On Jun 21, 10:55*am, "JohnT" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

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Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets is
expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.
--
JohnT

Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real
jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the
appropriate type rating.

Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what
certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by
the FAA?

"a" wrote in message
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On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

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Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets
is
expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be
the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.
--
JohnT

Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real
jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the
appropriate type rating.

Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what
certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by
the FAA?


The RAF.
--
JohnT

On Jun 21, 11:14*am, "JohnT" wrote:
"a" wrote in message

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On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

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Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets
is
expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be
the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.
--
JohnT

Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real
jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the
appropriate type rating.

Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what
certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by
the FAA?

The RAF.
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JohnT- Hide quoted text -

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Is it the RAF or FAA?

http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8710-1a.pdf

See block B

In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:14Â*am, "JohnT" wrote:
"a" wrote in message

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On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

. ..

Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets
is
expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be
the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.
--
JohnT

Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real
jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the
appropriate type rating.

Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what
certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by
the FAA?

The RAF.
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JohnT- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Is it the RAF or FAA?

http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8710-1a.pdf

See block B

That's to get your military training recognized by the FAA for a civilian
certificate.

Military pilots flying miltary aircraft have military "certificates", at
least in the US.



--
Jim Pennino

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On Jun 21, 1:54*pm, " wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:14*am, "JohnT" wrote:



"a" wrote in message

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On Jun 21, 10:55 am, "JohnT" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

. ..

Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets
is
expensive, and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be
the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.
--
JohnT

Perhaps not, John, but I expect the reality is few people flying real
jets in the civilian world are holding only private licenses with the
appropriate type rating.

Now here is a question that really displays my ignorance: what
certificates do military pilots hold? Are those certificates issued by
the FAA?

The RAF.
--
JohnT- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Is it the RAF or FAA?

http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8710-1a.pdf

See block B

I may be misreading that block, but it appears to be a way for a
person with military credentials of some form to apply for civilian
certification.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:24:45 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

While a heavy jet is a big sucker with a very complex panel
(although lighter aircraft are now sporting some pretty
compicated-looking electronci panels now) the principals are
basic for any one who has flown a plane for even a short time:
keep it level except coordinated turns. To land glide down to
near stall speed, flare at the runway apron and make it stall
just as the wheels tough the runway.

In an emergency, a person who isn't a pilot certified for the aircraft in
question needs to use the automation, not take the controls manually. The
latter can easily lead to disaster.

I so note further down.

The problem is that you need actual practice in an airplane in order to become
good at handling the controls, or you need to find an expensive, full-motion
simulator for the same purpose. Having experience in a vastly different
airplane won't help you much.

Well, duh. It depends on what you're trying to do.

[Rest of obvious stuff deleted]

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:26:29 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

Cessna makes or made (I don't recall the current structure of the
personal aircraft inudstry) some heavier aircraft than the 150s I
used to fly. Including some Jets (the Citation line).

Yes. I fly a Citation X on my trusty sim all the time. But flying jets is
expensive,

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

and one need not do so for a CPL. Indeed, it might well be the
other way around: CPL, then jets.

I'm not sure. I've forgotten. Is a commercial rating required
before you can qualify for an ATR? By the way, you don't need an
ATR to fly a jet.

I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *