8710 (maybe a little OT)

I'm filling out the 8710 for my upcoming commercial flight test and am
not sure what to put into three of the fields. I'll ask my CFI next
time we meet, but I thought I might get a quicker answer here.

For Solo, Cross Country Solo and Cross Country PIC, I'm not sure exactly
what they want. I haven't logged solo time since getting my private, so
my first thought was just log the solo and cross country solo logged
prior to my private and then all cross country since as PIC.

However, since the commercial (FAR 61.129) requires a 300 nm solo cross
country. I've made several of them, but they were all logged as PIC,
not solo. So, for the cross country solo, so I list my time prior to
the private and then pick a cross country of 300 nm that I flew alone
and add that time in? Or do I need to try to sort out all of the cross
country flights that I've logged as PIC cross country, but flew alone
and list them in the solo cross country category and then list those
where I had pax as PIC cross country? I haven't even indicated on many
of my flights if I had pax or not...


Matt

However, since the commercial (FAR 61.129) requires a 300 nm solo cross country. I've made several of them, but they were all logged as PIC, not solo.

If you were the sole occupant, then it was solo, for the purposes of the
commercial rating. You were also PIC.

You will need to find enough time in which you were sole occupant (I
believe it has to be after the private), and notate that in the logbook
entries.

Jose

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:31:40 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:


I'm filling out the 8710 for my upcoming commercial flight test and am
not sure what to put into three of the fields. I'll ask my CFI next
time we meet, but I thought I might get a quicker answer here.

For Solo, Cross Country Solo and Cross Country PIC, I'm not sure exactly
what they want. I haven't logged solo time since getting my private, so
my first thought was just log the solo and cross country solo logged
prior to my private and then all cross country since as PIC.

However, since the commercial (FAR 61.129) requires a 300 nm solo cross
country. I've made several of them, but they were all logged as PIC,
not solo. So, for the cross country solo, so I list my time prior to
the private and then pick a cross country of 300 nm that I flew alone
and add that time in? Or do I need to try to sort out all of the cross
country flights that I've logged as PIC cross country, but flew alone
and list them in the solo cross country category and then list those
where I had pax as PIC cross country? I haven't even indicated on many
of my flights if I had pax or not...


Matt


You only have to show enough hours in each field of the 8710 that is
required to qualify for the Commercial (see FAR 61.129). Don't worry
about showing anything more than that. It serves no purpose;

I took my commercial ride a couple months ago. I just got a call from my
CFI, that my 8710 got kicked out, because I didn't list "enough" solo time.
I put down 13 hours. I've got way more than that, but 61.129 a.4 said only
10 towards the commercial. 5 night VFR 10 t/o landings etc, & the long X/C.
The callback said they wanted to see 20 hours.
I went back, found 50 hours of solo (only guy in the plane) & they're
re-submitting it. When I questioned the change, the CFI said he was simply
told by the DE that "it's changed/changing". Nice to know, I guess.

PIC time is PIC time. Solo or not. I tend to put comments in my logbook.
Handy for remembering who (if anyone) I had in the plane. Not so handy when
everything in your logbook says, "Joe Schmoe ride" or "took girlfriend to
xyz" & you gotta *prove* so many hours of 'solo'. (also the wife shouldn't
see the "took girlfriend to xyz"....


I'd find at least 20 hours solo time.


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:31:40 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:


I'm filling out the 8710 for my upcoming commercial flight test and am
not sure what to put into three of the fields. I'll ask my CFI next
time we meet, but I thought I might get a quicker answer here.

For Solo, Cross Country Solo and Cross Country PIC, I'm not sure exactly
what they want. I haven't logged solo time since getting my private, so
my first thought was just log the solo and cross country solo logged
prior to my private and then all cross country since as PIC.

However, since the commercial (FAR 61.129) requires a 300 nm solo cross
country. I've made several of them, but they were all logged as PIC,
not solo. So, for the cross country solo, so I list my time prior to
the private and then pick a cross country of 300 nm that I flew alone
and add that time in? Or do I need to try to sort out all of the cross

country flights that I've logged as PIC cross country, but flew alone
and list them in the solo cross country category and then list those
where I had pax as PIC cross country? I haven't even indicated on many
of my flights if I had pax or not...


Matt


You only have to show enough hours in each field of the 8710 that is
required to qualify for the Commercial (see FAR 61.129). Don't worry
about showing anything more than that. It serves no purpose;

Steven Barnes wrote:
I took my commercial ride a couple months ago. I just got a call from my
CFI, that my 8710 got kicked out, because I didn't list "enough" solo time.
I put down 13 hours. I've got way more than that, but 61.129 a.4 said only
10 towards the commercial. 5 night VFR 10 t/o landings etc, & the long X/C.
The callback said they wanted to see 20 hours.
I went back, found 50 hours of solo (only guy in the plane) & they're
re-submitting it. When I questioned the change, the CFI said he was simply
told by the DE that "it's changed/changing". Nice to know, I guess.

PIC time is PIC time. Solo or not. I tend to put comments in my logbook.
Handy for remembering who (if anyone) I had in the plane. Not so handy when
everything in your logbook says, "Joe Schmoe ride" or "took girlfriend to
xyz" & you gotta *prove* so many hours of 'solo'. (also the wife shouldn't
see the "took girlfriend to xyz"....


I'd find at least 20 hours solo time.

Yes, my DE has a web site that lists the requirements along with several
"notes" that appear to be from the FAA, but which I haven't seen
anywhere else. One of the notes specifically addresses your situation
above and says that 20 hours of solo must be recorded to include the 10
hours from the private. I just wasn't sure if I had to attempt to log
all solo I've had or just the minimum for the commercial requirements.
It appears the latter is adequate so that is what I'll do.

I stopped logging solo when I got my private ... one reason being that
the solo column in my log disappeared after so many pages! I wasn't
thinking about a commercial certificate at that time.

Matt

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:10:19 GMT, "Steven Barnes"
wrote:

I took my commercial ride a couple months ago. I just got a call from my
CFI, that my 8710 got kicked out, because I didn't list "enough" solo time.
I put down 13 hours. I've got way more than that, but 61.129 a.4 said only
10 towards the commercial. 5 night VFR 10 t/o landings etc, & the long X/C.
The callback said they wanted to see 20 hours.
I went back, found 50 hours of solo (only guy in the plane) & they're
re-submitting it. When I questioned the change, the CFI said he was simply
told by the DE that "it's changed/changing". Nice to know, I guess.

PIC time is PIC time. Solo or not. I tend to put comments in my logbook.
Handy for remembering who (if anyone) I had in the plane. Not so handy when
everything in your logbook says, "Joe Schmoe ride" or "took girlfriend to
xyz" & you gotta *prove* so many hours of 'solo'. (also the wife shouldn't
see the "took girlfriend to xyz"....


I'd find at least 20 hours solo time.


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:31:40 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:


I'm filling out the 8710 for my upcoming commercial flight test and am
not sure what to put into three of the fields. I'll ask my CFI next
time we meet, but I thought I might get a quicker answer here.

For Solo, Cross Country Solo and Cross Country PIC, I'm not sure exactly
what they want. I haven't logged solo time since getting my private, so
my first thought was just log the solo and cross country solo logged
prior to my private and then all cross country since as PIC.

However, since the commercial (FAR 61.129) requires a 300 nm solo cross
country. I've made several of them, but they were all logged as PIC,
not solo. So, for the cross country solo, so I list my time prior to
the private and then pick a cross country of 300 nm that I flew alone
and add that time in? Or do I need to try to sort out all of the cross

country flights that I've logged as PIC cross country, but flew alone
and list them in the solo cross country category and then list those
where I had pax as PIC cross country? I haven't even indicated on many
of my flights if I had pax or not...


Matt


You only have to show enough hours in each field of the 8710 that is
required to qualify for the Commercial (see FAR 61.129). Don't worry
about showing anything more than that. It serves no purpose;

Yes, of course, you needed 10 solo to get a private, and an additional
10 to qualify for the commercial

Bill Zaleski wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:10:19 GMT, "Steven Barnes"
wrote:

I took my commercial ride a couple months ago. I just got a call from my
CFI, that my 8710 got kicked out, because I didn't list "enough" solo time.
I put down 13 hours. I've got way more than that, but 61.129 a.4 said only
10 towards the commercial. 5 night VFR 10 t/o landings etc, & the long X/C.
The callback said they wanted to see 20 hours.
I went back, found 50 hours of solo (only guy in the plane) & they're
re-submitting it. When I questioned the change, the CFI said he was simply
told by the DE that "it's changed/changing". Nice to know, I guess.

PIC time is PIC time. Solo or not. I tend to put comments in my logbook.
Handy for remembering who (if anyone) I had in the plane. Not so handy when
everything in your logbook says, "Joe Schmoe ride" or "took girlfriend to
xyz" & you gotta *prove* so many hours of 'solo'. (also the wife shouldn't
see the "took girlfriend to xyz"....


I'd find at least 20 hours solo time.


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
.. .

You only have to show enough hours in each field of the 8710 that is
required to qualify for the Commercial (see FAR 61.129). Don't worry
about showing anything more than that. It serves no purpose;

Yes, of course, you needed 10 solo to get a private, and an additional
10 to qualify for the commercial


Ah, that makes sense. I saw the 10 hour requirement for commercial &
just put that down, thinking the FAA would see that as the 10 hours on
top of what I had before.
Hopefully the 50 hours I put down this time will satisfy them...

The FAA can review your logbook, they do for ATP candidates,
to see what you have done for your entire experience. Make
that sort of review quick and simple by noting which flights
were [will be] used to show flight experience that is
required to meet higher certificate qualifications.


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|
| Bill Zaleski wrote:
| On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:10:19 GMT, "Steven Barnes"
| wrote:
|
| I took my commercial ride a couple months ago. I just
got a call from my
| CFI, that my 8710 got kicked out, because I didn't list
"enough" solo time.
| I put down 13 hours. I've got way more than that, but
61.129 a.4 said only
| 10 towards the commercial. 5 night VFR 10 t/o landings
etc, & the long X/C.
| The callback said they wanted to see 20 hours.
| I went back, found 50 hours of solo (only guy in the
plane) & they're
| re-submitting it. When I questioned the change, the CFI
said he was simply
| told by the DE that "it's changed/changing". Nice to
know, I guess.
|
| PIC time is PIC time. Solo or not. I tend to put
comments in my logbook.
| Handy for remembering who (if anyone) I had in the
plane. Not so handy when
| everything in your logbook says, "Joe Schmoe ride" or
"took girlfriend to
| xyz" & you gotta *prove* so many hours of 'solo'. (also
the wife shouldn't
| see the "took girlfriend to xyz"....
|
|
| I'd find at least 20 hours solo time.
|
|
| "Bill Zaleski" wrote in
message
| .. .
|
| You only have to show enough hours in each field of
the 8710 that is
| required to qualify for the Commercial (see FAR
61.129). Don't worry
| about showing anything more than that. It serves no
purpose;
|
| Yes, of course, you needed 10 solo to get a private, and
an additional
| 10 to qualify for the commercial
|
|
| Ah, that makes sense. I saw the 10 hour requirement for
commercial &
| just put that down, thinking the FAA would see that as the
10 hours on
| top of what I had before.
| Hopefully the 50 hours I put down this time will satisfy
them...
|