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"Tom Cervo" wrote in message ... An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. How many Guardsmen do you know? Well, the ones on the base I've been active at for the last two years surely seem to like that we're under his command instead of Algore. (roughly 1,000 personnel) Steve R. |
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And another thing.... ;o)
When Clinton landed at our base during the elections nobody in our shop would even walk across the base to see him. When we heard Pres. Bush landed on the carrier, and when he went to Iraq during Thanksgiving it made us very proud that he would remember us like that. He was thousands of miles from us geographically, but he was with us in spirit. Steve R. On 02 Feb 2004 03:35:02 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote: An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. How many Guardsmen do you know? |
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JD wrote:
The media and most democrats charge President Bush lied to the American people and led us into a war over oil. Even if you disregard GWB 1 and the war re Kuwait, in any attempt to be fair, you have to take these quotes into consideration: (Irrelevant quotes deleted) Now who's lying? If we are to believe our President, clearly the intelligence community that provided our legislators with misleading and inaccurate data either were lying or were grossly imcompetent, and he should have fired them as soon as he made that determination. To my knowledge, he has not yet addressed that problem. George Z. |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... JD wrote: The media and most democrats charge President Bush lied to the American people and led us into a war over oil. Even if you disregard GWB 1 and the war re Kuwait, in any attempt to be fair, you have to take these quotes into consideration: (Irrelevant quotes deleted) Among those "irrelevant" quotesd were a number of statements predating the GWB Presidency asserting that Iraq was continuing to develop, and/or had stockpiled, WMD's, from prominent Democrats like Clinton, Kerry, Levin, etc. Odd how some folks want to hang Bush for making similar statements, but are all too willing to completely ignore the earlier comments from the other side of the aisle, isn't it? Now who's lying? If we are to believe our President, clearly the intelligence community that provided our legislators with misleading and inaccurate data either were lying or were grossly imcompetent, and he should have fired them as soon as he made that determination. But then you'd have to toss in the majority of the intel services around the globe, as it appears most thought the Iraqis did indeed have hidden stocks of WMD, and/or violations of UN Res 687 (which indeed was the case). Were they all "grossly incompetent"? To my knowledge, he has not yet addressed that problem. Gee, you never held that same failure to address any intel failure against Mr. Clinton, who bought into the same story. Why the double standard? Brooks George Z. |
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"Tom Cervo" wrote in message ... An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. How many Guardsmen do you know? A fairly good number, including quite a few from Tennessee who are now in Iraq. And yes, most of them (from Al's home state no less) seemed to prefer Bush to Gore by far, so your point would be...? Brooks |
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"fudog50" wrote in message ... I don't know any, but recently all the media has been printing about Guardsmen is they are squealing about having to get called up for duty. The articles are from SOLDIERS (guardsmen) bawling about, "this isn't what we signed up for". LOL, if this is true, I refuse to believe that a grown man that has reaped all the benefits (pay, education, etc.) would howl about fulfilling his end of an oath to his country and contract that he signed and swore to. Beware believeing the media's attempts to find the minority whiners and portray them as representing the majority. If you go through the numbers for ARNG units activated for ODS you will find an extremely high rate of participation in the units that were called up. We have seen a significant number of units activated for the current ongoing operations, and AFAIK the result is the same. I recently ran into a guy who just finished an active duty stint with his unit--his only gripe was that his unit was not allowed to do their real combat mission and instead had been siphoned off to perform security support here in CONUS. I know of two units from this state that are in Iraq for the second time (having also done the ODS tour years ago), and a lot of their members have made both trips, with no reported whining in the press (I have little doubt some of them would rather be back home by now, having deployed at about the same time the war kicked off, but wouldn't YOU feel the same?). Brooks On 02 Feb 2004 03:35:02 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote: An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. How many Guardsmen do you know? |
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Your ignorant acceptance of his BS really lets the country and the
military down. His greatest insult to the country and military was starting a war over a lie or, at best, something he was dead wrong on. We deserve to die for the truth, at least. Keep living in your dream world. "fudog50" wrote in message ... You are seriously Wrong, he does a great job supporting us! You couldn't be further from the Truth. But everytime he shows support, people like you spin it up into a "political statement for his re-election" what a bucket of **** you lay. Speaking of Clinton, every Navy unit I was in despised him and we hoped to God he never payed us a visit. Just like the whole WMD arguement you are trying to debate now! The original Poster of this thread hit the nail on the head. Nobody has that kind of power, including the President. What, you can't make up your own mind? Did he hypnotize you into believing what he (and everyone else) was saying about Saddams possesion of WMD's? I guess he just hypnotized every Democrat and media agent into beleiving it too! LOL, get a clue, this thing ain't over yet. Your kind also bashed Pres. Bush daily about "his" inability to find Saddam, like it was him personally out there searching for him! hahaha! Then, when we did find him, you spun it all up into a bucket of **** about how "inhumane" he was treated, and how much better the Iraqi people would be with him still in power. And nobody gloated, just were very satisfied and showed pleasure at him being caught, and brought to justice. So what will your kind say when we catch Bin Laden? What will you say when we find the evidence Saddam had WMD's and destroyed and moved them because he was scared about getting attacked and overthrown? Don't you think that military force worked? What the hell are you thinking? That we will threaten him with scorched earth if he doesn't comply with the worlds laws, and then not act? people like you On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:58:38 -0600, "Rick Folkers" wrote: Too bad he does not support them better. "RobbelothE" wrote in message ... Subject: Maybe GWB isn't lying....... From: "Rick Folkers" Date: 2/1/2004 4:23 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: ...[T]he contempt with which he held the people and the brave men and women of the military in taking them to war over a false reason makes him just another low life politician. An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. Ed "The French couldn't hate us any more unless we helped 'em out in another war." --Will Rogers (Delete text after dot com for e-mail reply.) |
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so do you too, but more of it!
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:14:34 -0600, "Rick Folkers" wrote: Your ignorant acceptance of his BS really lets the country and the military down. His greatest insult to the country and military was starting a war over a lie or, at best, something he was dead wrong on. We deserve to die for the truth, at least. Keep living in your dream world. "fudog50" wrote in message .. . You are seriously Wrong, he does a great job supporting us! You couldn't be further from the Truth. But everytime he shows support, people like you spin it up into a "political statement for his re-election" what a bucket of **** you lay. Speaking of Clinton, every Navy unit I was in despised him and we hoped to God he never payed us a visit. Just like the whole WMD arguement you are trying to debate now! The original Poster of this thread hit the nail on the head. Nobody has that kind of power, including the President. What, you can't make up your own mind? Did he hypnotize you into believing what he (and everyone else) was saying about Saddams possesion of WMD's? I guess he just hypnotized every Democrat and media agent into beleiving it too! LOL, get a clue, this thing ain't over yet. Your kind also bashed Pres. Bush daily about "his" inability to find Saddam, like it was him personally out there searching for him! hahaha! Then, when we did find him, you spun it all up into a bucket of **** about how "inhumane" he was treated, and how much better the Iraqi people would be with him still in power. And nobody gloated, just were very satisfied and showed pleasure at him being caught, and brought to justice. So what will your kind say when we catch Bin Laden? What will you say when we find the evidence Saddam had WMD's and destroyed and moved them because he was scared about getting attacked and overthrown? Don't you think that military force worked? What the hell are you thinking? That we will threaten him with scorched earth if he doesn't comply with the worlds laws, and then not act? people like you On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:58:38 -0600, "Rick Folkers" wrote: Too bad he does not support them better. "RobbelothE" wrote in message ... Subject: Maybe GWB isn't lying....... From: "Rick Folkers" Date: 2/1/2004 4:23 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: ...[T]he contempt with which he held the people and the brave men and women of the military in taking them to war over a false reason makes him just another low life politician. An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. Ed "The French couldn't hate us any more unless we helped 'em out in another war." --Will Rogers (Delete text after dot com for e-mail reply.) |
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I know it's the media, that was my point, thanks Kevin.
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:32:00 -0500, "Kevin Brooks" wrote: "fudog50" wrote in message .. . I don't know any, but recently all the media has been printing about Guardsmen is they are squealing about having to get called up for duty. The articles are from SOLDIERS (guardsmen) bawling about, "this isn't what we signed up for". LOL, if this is true, I refuse to believe that a grown man that has reaped all the benefits (pay, education, etc.) would howl about fulfilling his end of an oath to his country and contract that he signed and swore to. Beware believeing the media's attempts to find the minority whiners and portray them as representing the majority. If you go through the numbers for ARNG units activated for ODS you will find an extremely high rate of participation in the units that were called up. We have seen a significant number of units activated for the current ongoing operations, and AFAIK the result is the same. I recently ran into a guy who just finished an active duty stint with his unit--his only gripe was that his unit was not allowed to do their real combat mission and instead had been siphoned off to perform security support here in CONUS. I know of two units from this state that are in Iraq for the second time (having also done the ODS tour years ago), and a lot of their members have made both trips, with no reported whining in the press (I have little doubt some of them would rather be back home by now, having deployed at about the same time the war kicked off, but wouldn't YOU feel the same?). Brooks On 02 Feb 2004 03:35:02 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote: An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President Bush. Period. How many Guardsmen do you know? |
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