We Are All Spaniards

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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In article , "Dan Luke"
writes:


This election will encourage the terrorists like
nothing else has.

Unfortunately, the spin in the Muslim world will be that Al Qaeda
frightened the Spanish people into replacing their government. Score
one for the bad guys.
--

And Italy, Britain and Australia will no doubt pay a heavy price for the
cowardice of the Spanish.


The Aussies already did. The nightclub bombing last year in Bali killed
mosty Aussies.

Churchill, speaking of appeasement, said it was 'feeding the crocodile in
hopes
it would eat you last.'

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , "Dan Luke"
writes:


This election will encourage the terrorists like
nothing else has.

Unfortunately, the spin in the Muslim world will be that Al Qaeda
frightened the Spanish people into replacing their government. Score
one for the bad guys.
--

And Italy, Britain and Australia will no doubt pay a heavy price for the
cowardice of the Spanish.

Churchill, speaking of appeasement, said it was 'feeding the crocodile in hopes
it would eat you last.'

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dan Luke"
writes:


This election will encourage the terrorists like
nothing else has.

Unfortunately, the spin in the Muslim world will be that Al Qaeda
frightened the Spanish people into replacing their government. Score
one for the bad guys.
--

And Italy, Britain and Australia will no doubt pay a heavy price for the
cowardice of the Spanish.

Churchill, speaking of appeasement, said it was 'feeding the crocodile in
hopes
it would eat you last.'

Although this is dangerously close to invoking Godwin's Law: It's
particularly sickening to hear the American right (WD, I'm not addressing
you personally yet) pompously adopting the mantle of Churchill. It's your
political forbears who were the master appeasers, right up to Pearl Harbor
and (as far as Europe is concerned) beyond. It took well over two years
before you committed troops despite the begging from your cloest allies. And
the mid-century American right wing positively adored Mussolini. So, from a
European perspective, pious crap about appeasement doesn't sit well coming
from the US - let's admit it; the jaw/war choice is sensitive to specific
points in time, to each side's attempt at self-justification, and can only
be judged later from a historical perspective.

Now, by "right" I meant the traditional middle-American conservative. WD,
what would the Libertarian viewpoint have been between Munich and Pearl
Harbor? What about after PH?

-- David Brooks

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:ev85c.13233$Cb.306915@attbi_s51...
The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very attackers
they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process.

This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has.

What does this have to do with flying (rec.aviation.piloting, to be
specific), except the very tenuous connection ANY political,
especially international, issue does?

What does this have to do with flying (rec.aviation.piloting, to be
specific), except the very tenuous connection ANY political,
especially international, issue does?

Everything, and nothing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newszJ4c.6689$_w.233787@attbi_s53...

Rest assured that all Americans stand with you, that we will
remember our allies, and that we will help you find the swine who
perpetrated this atrocity.

The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

Yep, murder a couple hundred Spaniards and the whole country will do
whatever you want.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newszJ4c.6689$_w.233787@attbi_s53...
We are all Spaniards today.

As a percentage of Spanish population, the horrendous terrorist attack on
Madrid has now actually injured and killed more people than the World
Trade
Center attacks did to America in 2001.

Terrorism must be stopped, whatever the cost. Whether it was Basque
separatists or Muslim extremists is irrelevant -- the animals who take
pleasure in this kind of carnage must be hunted down and killed.

I have searched in vain to determine how many airplane pilots are in
Spain,
but I'm sure there must be at least one of you lurking on this newsgroup
today. Rest assured that all Americans stand with you, that we will
remember our allies, and that we will help you find the swine who
perpetrated this atrocity.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Jay,

Noble sentiments to be sure,

However, the Spanish people themselves don't seem to want to "be Spaniards"
as they promptly gave the "bum's rush" to the ruling party that has been
perceived as getting them attacked in the first place.

I think the attackers got exactly what they were aiming for in Spain and
IMO, if John Kerry gets elected President, they will have acheived a similar
gain in the US.

My $0.02 worth,

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
4.5 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

In article , Martin Hotze
writes:

(pacplyer) wrote:

I for one, will support any invasion to discover those facts if
inspectors are not happy.


to reduce it to a personal platform: let's assume that you are doing
something
illegal. Intelligence has no chance to get enough evidence (for the sake of
the
argument). Now: shall police - just because they are not happy of the outcome

and they don't have 100% proof that you are _INNOCENT_ (rings a bell?) have
every right to search your house (without a warrant) and your belongings?
[well,
in the name of terrorism this is already the law in the US]


OK, lets do make it personal.

A known thug, who you know for a fact has killed many people, approaches you on
the street and threatens you. He is holding his hand in his jacket pocket as
though he has a gun in there. He says he has a gun, but you cannot actually see
if he has it or if he is bluffing.

You, on the other hand, do have a gun. What are you going to do? Give him first
shot? Wait to see if he is lying about having the gun? Demand that a third
party, who hates you as much as the thug, be allowed to peek inside the pocket
and tell you if there is a gun?

Or are you going to assume his threat is sincere and take him out first?

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

(Wdtabor) wrote:

You, on the other hand, do have a gun. What are you going to do? Give him
first shot?

Am I able to hide? [1]

If not: very tough question. I can't sincerely answer it without being in the

situation.

#m

[1] might sound like a coward, but I can life with that
--

Can you live with him killing the next unarmed person he encounters if you
succeed in hiding?

I'm not sure I could.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , Martin Hotze
writes:

(Wdtabor) wrote:

Can you live with him killing the next unarmed person he encounters if you
succeed in hiding?

I'm not sure I could.

As I said befo I've never been close enough to a dangerous situation
forcing
me to make decisions about life and death.


Not referring only to the scenario in question, those sorts of decisions should
be made ahead of time, not in a moment of fear and stress. Such occasions are
not times for hesitation or indecision. I know what I would do, and I would do
it without hesitation or remorse.

It's sort of like flying through a cloud, if you trust in your procedure and
instruments you will come out the other side just fine, but if you go by your
feelings of the moment, you exit the cloud through the bottom.

Don



--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG