Another Addition to the Rec.Aviation Rogue's Gallery!

Jerry Springer wrote:

Margy Natalie wrote:
Dear Jerry,

Jay is NOT posting the same thing over and over again. He is posting when there is
an addition to the gallery that he is spending his time and money to produce for OUR
enjoyment. Jay can be a bit much at times, but he does contribute to this news
group in a very valuable way and has been here for a long time. He has the insanity
to run a business that most of us here find unique and fun. Some of us have even
gone to the hotel, but be assured if Jay thought for a second that the rec. groups
would send him a lot of business he would be out of business real soon. Jay does
host a wonderful party at his plane at OSH so the rec. crowd can get together .
What have you done?

Margy


First I have been in RAH longer than you or Jay or even BWB, but I do not
believe that time in a NG has anything to do with common courtesy when posting
over and over again. I realize this is going to the RAP and RAO NG also but you
and others insist on crossposting so be it. Despite what I say, or you or anyone
else thinks of me, there have been some very respectable contributors to the NGs
suggest way to post the notifications in an orderly manner and it seems Jay is
to lazy to take those suggestion to heart.

Let me see what have I done? Well I have built and made first flights on four
airplanes and first flights on several other peoples projects. I have taught and
helped at least 50 people get their PP certificates as well as commercial
certificates and some have even gone on to be instructors and to make a living
from aviation as commercial pilots. I served in Vietnam
among some other places in the world. NOW WHAT is it that you have done Margy?

Waiting for your answer,

Jerry

Dear Jerry,

I was speaking of the news groups, not life in general. What have you done for the Rec.
community. Jay is spending lots of time posting pics of newsgroup members. This group
is, in part, a social group. I don't recall you having done anything for members of this
group or even a subset of those members.

Margy

Or one who has checked her sanity at the door (and I won't tell you if that's
referring to Ron or being a sped teacher :-))

Jerry Springer wrote:

I know who she is married to and I commend her for being a special ed teacher,
that takes a special kind of person.

Jerry

Jay Honeck wrote:

Waiting for your answer,


Jerry, I *think* Margy wanted to know what you've done for the newsgroup --
not in life.

And be careful -- her list of life achievements is pretty formidable, too.

She is a special ed teacher (which gets her half-way to sainthood by itself)
AND works at the National Air & Space Museum.

And she owns and flies a Navion.

AND she's married to Ron -- which gets her the rest of the way to
sainthood... ;-)

Shall I continue? :-)

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:33:49 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:


As a young CFI 35 years ago I enjoyed teaching people what an aileron
is and what it does. I just got tired somewhere along the way with
the people who wouldn't try to put forth their best efforts on their
own to learn and become the best that they could be.

I don't accept your excuse for waiting 35 years to do something you
wanted to do all of your life. I feel sorry for you. I feel that you
have been a lost soul for some reason. I would have killed to fly. I
had no choice. I had no choice in becoming a nuclear physicist
either. I was born knowing how to factor a quadratic equation.

So, I was luckier than most, I'm sorry.

BWB

There's no need to be sorry about good fortune but there is also no
need for you to trash everyone who hasn't done exactly what you did
either.

Everyone is different and as the Indian's used to say: "one man cannot
tell another man what to do."

You were obviously born with the smarts to accomplish what you wanted
to do, that's great. But some people put relationships and family
first, above flying. I'm too old to be a commercial pilot now, but
I'm not too old to follow through what I started as a kid and get my
license. Now that that's accomplished, the next goal is to finish the
airplane which I started 13 years ago. I cannot spend lots of money
on it because I don't have lots of money to spend. It's a plans built
type airplane because I could not afford the large outlay of cash
necessary to buy a kit upfront. Scrounging for parts and pieces is
interesting but slow. But I get enormous satisfaction in working on
the airplane. When it's finally done, I may go into withdraw with
nothing to do at night but hope for flying weather.

Frankly Bill you do not have to be here and I keep wondering what's
keeping you tethered. You hate this place, hate most of the guys here
and **** all over everyone routinely. Methinks thee doth protest too
much.

Corky Scott

There's no need to be sorry about good fortune but there is also no
need for you to trash everyone who hasn't done exactly what you did
either.

I agree Corky. What I get ****ed off about is the lack of courtesy
that the know-nothings have. The bold and abrasive attacks and
challenges of the know-nothings, the people (unlike you) who really
don't want to learn anything, but just want to lie about what they
are, what they have done and who they are. This place deteriorates to
that level a lot although I haven't seen it in the last three days.


Everyone is different and as the Indian's used to say: "one man cannot
tell another man what to do."

Sure they can. You are just an introvert. The idiots need direction
or they wouldn't be hounding for it.


You were obviously born with the smarts to accomplish what you wanted
to do, that's great. But some people put relationships and family
first, above flying.

I understand that.

I'm too old to be a commercial pilot now, but
I'm not too old to follow through what I started as a kid and get my
license. Now that that's accomplished, the next goal is to finish the
airplane which I started 13 years ago. I cannot spend lots of money
on it because I don't have lots of money to spend. It's a plans built
type airplane because I could not afford the large outlay of cash
necessary to buy a kit upfront. Scrounging for parts and pieces is
interesting but slow. But I get enormous satisfaction in working on
the airplane. When it's finally done, I may go into withdraw with
nothing to do at night but hope for flying weather.

Naaah. You'll find another project. I oil paint and draw a lot, and
build RC models. You'll do the same. You'll find something to use
your right lobe and keep busy when you retire from the library. That's
the way it is with people who are bright. They find a challenge no
matter what stage of life they are in.

I pray for boredom. I haven't had the opportunity to be bored since
childhood. What a luxury to be bored. I pray for the day when I can
once again be bored. I get up at 6 a.m. and I crank-ass all day
long. I try to take a nap,but seldomly get the chance unless I'm just
tired as hell and my body forces me to rest.

GOD! What it would be like to be bored for a couple hours. I have no
chance of looking forward to that in life. There is just too much out
there that I haven't done and want to do. Most of it requires a lot
of study too. I'll explain.

When I was teaching physics at the university, students would come to
my office and ask me how to solve a physics problem I had assigned as
homework. I usually found that they hadn't even tried the problem.
That's like what I see a lot of here on RAH. I would tell them to go
spend 8 hours on the problem and if they couldn't solve it, come back
and I would give them some guidance---I would not tell them that I
would give them the secret to the problem, only some guidance. They
rolled over and puked in my office and went away.

What I hated was someone who wanted to start at the top without paying
the proper dues. Wing-Ding is like that. He want's to have it all
without walking through the maze. I guess most people are like that,
they want degrees and titles and the cream, but pay no dues.

RAH is like that. What I see are people who want a free ride and
capitalize on the experience of all the old time masters like O'ring
and others who left long ago, but the newbees want to pay no dues.
The young people especially nowadays want instant gratification. They
don't want to work for anything. They figure they are worth $15
bucks/hr just because they breath air. If you expect them to do
anything, then that's extra.

I love to paint oil paintings. I'm not that good either. I guess I
like it because I am not that good. I have a LONG way to go before I
get to be what I consider an average artist. I have a friend who is a
master painter by anyone's opinion. Three years ago I went to him and
told him of my secret wish to become a good painter. He was a math
professor at UNLV when I was teaching physics there back in the early
1970's. So, he too is tired of students who "didn't try the problem"
before they came in wanting the secret to the proof. He is a great
mathematician with many published proofs and is well known in his
trade. He is also an accomplished artist with many shows and is worth
enough money that he doesn't have to work anymore. This is what he
said to me, a close friend and good buddy:

"Ah, Bill, so you really want to paint well eh? I would be happy to
help you. This is what you do so you can learn to be an artist. Get
yourself a sketching pad and some good pencils. Draw for an hour each
day for TEN years, the come back to me. I'll be happy to help you
then."

I have been drawing an hour each day now for three years (more, most
days). In seven years I'll go back to him and ask for his advice.

Now that I have drawn for three years, I understand why he said that.
The same thing goes for building airplanes. Go learn to fly at least,
then consider how to build an airplane. Or, go build something
substantial and then consider building an airplane. But, no matter
what you do, DO SOMETHING. Don't just come in swinging and asking
stupid questions like: I want to build an airplane that carries 4
people at 400 mph on 4 gallons/hr and has a service ceiling of 30,000
feet....oh, and I only want to spend $20 grand.

Then if an old boy like me nails the guy, you and all of the rest of
the people of RAH-land condemn me for my uncaring and abrasive
nature. Give me a break. Most of the people here are just not worth
the effort, that's the problem. It isn't a high quality array of
builders or pilots who post here. The most intimidating assholes here
are not pilots, not builders and also anonymous so you can't hunt them
down and kill them for their threats.


Frankly Bill you do not have to be here and I keep wondering what's
keeping you tethered. You hate this place, hate most of the guys here
and **** all over everyone routinely.

You are right Corky. I don't belong here. John Stricker said that
years ago. "Just too much experience for this group Bill."

So, where would you recommend that I go? I like human interaction and
because I am alive I am social. What group do you feel I would fit
into?

There is an entire evolvement that goes on when you post to ng's that
I didn't know 8 years ago. I came in here as a test pilot on Jess
Meyer's RV-6A with the Chevy Engine in it and posted the results of my
flights almost daily. I enjoyed the feedback that I got. Then I
became addicted to the instant feedback. After that I loved just
writing stories here. But what happened next was something that
brought me back to reality.

The Mini-500 helicopter thing happened. I hated what I perceived
Fetters for doing and that was marketing a deathtrap. The builders
elected me as their President and Tony Pucillo was our lawyer. At
that point when real homebuilders were getting killed I got serious
here and on the rotorcraft group. I was very serious. Even Tony saw
a big change in my posts as I became more serious and worried about
the crashes and the fatalities. I did what I could as you all know to
curtail those crashes and help the builders. What that did to me here
is turn me from an entertaining sort of guy, to a man with a mission
to expose what the builders were seeing as inadequacies in that
Kit-helicotper.

So, I went from the jovial story writer to a serious guy to deal with.
I didn't want that, but I really had no choice. And, I do feel like I
saved a few lives. If I never do anything else in life to promote the
safety and well being of pilots everywhere, I feel that my efforts
concerning the Mini-500 were worth it.

What I would like now is to be left alone. I don't want confrontation
or conflict with anyone here. I'd like to post here from time to time
and just convey my thoughts on things, because I really don't know
where else to hang out if I decide to post on the Internet. I have
spent no time on the other groups and I don't know anyone there. RAH
is my depth on Usegroups.

It's like the OMABP. It's a place that all men can go, even to this
day and expect conflict and confrontation on a daily basis. For those
who don't know what the OMABP is, do a search.

Where else do you hang out if you like to talk with people? Maybe
they all don't have your level of professionalism or experience but
it's still a group of people. If you are social then I think you need
people. I'd like things to be different if they could, but I think
they can't. If you know something I don't Corky, then you tell me
where to hang out and I'll try it.

Just don't give me any crap and I won't give you any. That goes for
anyone here. I'm not looking for a fight, but you guys know that I
can end one if some dork picks it.


BWB




Corky Scott

So, where would you recommend that I go? I like human interaction and
because I am alive I am social. What group do you feel I would fit
into?

Bill, you've obviously been hanging out exclusively in RAH, cuz those of us
who live in RAP and RAO are unfamiliar with you and your brand of posting.
All I can say is this: You're welcome here. I, for one, find your
experiences and attitude refreshing -- although I can see how those with
thinner skins might be spooked.

From what I've read over in RAH lately, we in RAP and RAO aren't quite as
free-wheeling and off the cuff. Must be something to do with flying
"spam-cans" or something -- but do try to treat us with kid gloves for a
while, okay? :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay, just tell me how to find your plane at OSH. I'm planning on being there
this year as a visitor instead of an exhibitor so I get to see the show. I,
too, would like to bow to the ground at Margie's feet.

--
Al Mills
Wake me before we take off...

Jay, just tell me how to find your plane at OSH. I'm planning on being
there
this year as a visitor instead of an exhibitor so I get to see the show.
I,
too, would like to bow to the ground at Margie's feet.

Well, Al, the way we all did it last year was by using the EAA's computer
location system.

Just give my "N" number to the guys and gals in the booth at the entrance to
the North 40, and they'll tell you precisely where we're parked. Montblack
is going to be bringing some grills this year, so we can actually do a
cook-out, rather than trying to stumble off-site for food! (A real
challenge last year, considering how much beer was consumed...)

And, by the way -- it's MUCH easier to bow to Margy when she's dancing at
eye-level on Atlas' wing...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Bill, you've obviously been hanging out exclusively in RAH, cuz those of us
who live in RAP and RAO are unfamiliar with you and your brand of posting.

Oh, he used to post in RAP back about ten years ago. Maybe a little more. Back
when Highflyer was still allowed to post under his real name.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

Badwater Bill wrote:

I'll make a bigger impact this time.

Been packin' on the weight, eh? ;-)

Was in Vegas last week; should've called (sorry).

Russell Kent

Bow at my feet?!!? I like it!!! Hopefully the Navion will be flying by OSH
(with new radios and everything!!) so we can do something down in the classic
area. If you volunteer for Vintage flight line ops I'll even help you into your
little orange vest!

Margy (stuck on earth, in the snow, wishing it was spring)

AL wrote:

Jay, just tell me how to find your plane at OSH. I'm planning on being there
this year as a visitor instead of an exhibitor so I get to see the show. I,
too, would like to bow to the ground at Margie's feet.

--
Al Mills
Wake me before we take off...