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nor be required to give away your airplane and all your other worldly
posessions (Matthew 19:16-21. See also Luke 12:33) nor sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7-10) I'm always impressed with how you guys can DO that. How the HECK do you remember the verses and chapters in such detail? Of course, I'll bet you can't recite the 1963 version of the Catholic mass aloud...so nyah! :-) It makes sense you are a heathen Jay, as God made you evil because you are bald (Jeremiah 47:5) - so you really can't help yourself. At last -- a viable excuse! :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Sorry about the bad lunch companions. We have these people around here
too. You have PILOT proselytizers? I'd never seen one before. Hope I never meet one again. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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At first, Ian, I truly thought your post was a marvelous, well-spun parody
of what I lived through at the casino. Sadly, I must conclude that you are sincere. I know this is going down an off-topic sink hole, but I would be interested to hear another pilot (I assume you are a pilot, if you're here?) give a cogent, logical, scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs. Is that possible? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "Ian" wrote in message ... Anyone ever run into this before? What did you do? All you had to do was get up and leave instead of agonizing over the politeness of how to exit. Nobody forced you to sit there and listen to it. It's clear you and your family have no moral guidance. I can see how being raised a Catholic has got you out of tune with God, that's pretty common. Sure, faith is a personal thing, but we're also commanded to spread the good news. Tell others. That's what they were doing. You make it sound like you were trapped because it makes them sound evil and you appear a victim and we'll feel sorry for you. It's real funny to laugh at the apparent hypocrites who want to tell you something important while sitting in a casino. Well they are as imperfect as the rest of us. Who knows - maybe they go to the casino just to evangelize because they know there are people there like you who need to hear it. It's the message that's important, not the person delivering it. Your rejection of the message does not diminish its truth. Feel free to continue denying God, it is obviously your choice. It is your unalienable right in this great country to have whatever religion you want, including none at all. When you're standing at the final judgement you're going to feel pretty silly remembering how you should have listened, believed, acted, and provided some leadership to your family in this most important area of their lives. Are you going to teach your children about Jesus or let them wander in apathy ? So far, you are lost. If you think your own inner self, your conscience, your innate sense of right and wrong should be your guide, if you think its enough just to be a good person, then you've got it all backwards. Your prolific newsgroup posting over the last several years now has provided some interesting insight into your personality. We know what you look like, where you live, what you like to do, where you like to go, how you earn a living. Isn't it time you quit worshipping the Pathfinder parked out back and sought out some real meaning to why you're here ? Some real guidance in your life ? Pick up the Bible and take another look. That's the real POH. It's especially hard for smart, successful people like yourself to believe that they need Jesus because it makes them accept the fact that they are inadequate and incomplete without Him. Well get used to that concept. From the janitor to the CEO and from the gambler to the hotel owner, that is exactly what we all need. The only difference is in how long it takes each of us to figure it out and make the single most important decision your entire life. To accept Jesus or reject him. It's just between you and Him, nobody else. What is it going to be ? |
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Jay,
scientifically-proven defense of your beliefs. Is that possible? Uh, no. Look at that sentence above again. It's a contradiction. By definition, there is nothing scientific about beliefs. That's why they are beliefs, not knowledge. If you look at the big question of Life, the Universe and Everything scientifically, at some point you'll have to live with the answer: "I don't know." Many people are terribly afraid of that (possibly a variant of "Nature abhors vacuum" ;-)). So they make something up. That's called religion. Others then exploit that and use it to exert power over their fellow humans. That's called a church or a religious community. This simple explanation works for all religions I know of. Of course, if indeed I should end up standing in front of St. Peter or Jesus on Judgement Day, it will be a major "Oops"-moment. ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Just praying at the home dinner table is becoming something of an
anachronism these days, but there are still families (like mine) who do pray before dinner at restaurants. I can't say that that applies at McDonald's, because we hardly ever have a sit down dinner at a fast food restaurant, but if we bring home some KFC, yes we set the table and say grace. When we eat a sit-down meal at home (increasingly rare these days) we ALWAYS say a prayer, mostly out of tradition but also because it's simply a nice thing to do. When I was growing up, my family sat stoically at the table and recited the old "Bless us, oh Lord..." prayer. Mary's family, on the other hand, always joined hands, and said the "God is great, God is good..." prayer. As a result, in our family we now all join hands, and say BOTH prayers -- even though we do not practice any organized religion. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "Chris Hoffmann" wrote in message ... I've had similar experiences - twice in college, once in a mall parking lot. Sometimes it's enough to tell them my father is a minister (which he is), but other times they do what your two gentlemen did. All you can do is excuse yourself and go elsewhere. Some people take the "go ye therefore and teach all nations" line a BIT too seriously. I think it's great that they have placed such importance on the souls of others, but badgering a person isn't the way to convert the masses. As I said, Dad's a minister, and he would be appalled by behavior like that. I never asked him why he of all people wouldn't appreciate zeal like that, but then in all the bible studies I had as a kid, not once did Christ go seeking out people to convert. They came to Him, and perhaps that's how it should be. |
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Ever look at the front page of an Ac-u-Kwik book?
Nope. What's there? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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There are many of us that were raised "hyper-catholic", to use your
phrase, but not many still carry such a large chip on their shoulder as you. You really ought to learn to get by all that. It's pretty sad that you can allow a couple of one-issue old guys to ruin a couple of days of your life. ??? What chip am I carrying? And how have they ruined more than my lunch? Sign me "confused"... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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when ever approached... be more zealous then they area.. be affirmative..
and try to convert them to your beliefs.. they'll run away.. or stop talking.. It's been my experience that people who want to talk about their religion don't much care about mine. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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My goodness, Jay. Get a grip.
Discussing whacko pilots isn't appropriate in a piloting newsgroup? Get a grip, Larry. I'm sincerely afraid to share the airspace with guys who think someone Else is steering... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Get a grip, Larry. I'm sincerely afraid to share the airspace with guys who think someone Else is steering... -- My sister-in-law had one of those "God is my co-pilot" bumper stickers. She got really ****ed when I pointed out that if God wrapped it around a tree, he'd be back in three days but she would not. -- Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG |
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